?Silverado, Rock & Roll, Over the Moon?

14 years ago

Can anyone tell me about any of these 3 roses? I've recently moved, have a little more garden space, so now of course I can't help wanting to fill it up. I've been eying the candy-striped Rock & Roll for a while. I hope it likes my climate. Over the Moon photos look gorgeous--that apricot color! And Silverado caught my attention due to every photo I've seen showing terrific florist rose form. I would appreciate comments from experience with these roses--general health, how prolific, size and holding power of blooms, heat and rain tolerance/resistance, etc. Thanks.

Mike

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the_bustopher z6 MO

14 years ago

I can only address Silverado and Rock 'n' Roll. Silverado has nice flowers, but whether they are show quality is another matter here. The plant is healthy when sprayed regularly. Its ultimate height is about 5 feet if it hasn't been winterkilled back too much, but it might not be an issue where you are. It might get bigger down there. Flower color is nice, a blended lavender with white reverse.

Rock 'n' Roll is a showy grandiflora whose stripes disappear as the temperature goes up. My plant seems to have been struggling, but it is doing okay. I do not know what its ultimate height is here, but I have seen it elsewhere, and it was about 4.5 ft tall. I like this rose; it has character. I just wish it was doing better. Plant appears healthy when kept sprayed.

Here is a picture, not the greatest, of Rock 'n' Roll:

Here is one of Silverado:

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texaslynn
14 years ago
Mike, I can't help you from personal experience but I've seen Rock and Roll in the nurseries here and it looks good there! Very striking!

Just curious - did you have to leave all your previous roses behind?

Lynn
allison64
14 years ago
Mike, I was going to say the same as Texaslynn. Every nursery I have been too since the beginning of spring Rock & Roll has looked good, blooming and healthy. (Lynn, why haven't we bought it?)

Another I have noticed always looking good is Brigadoon.

Have fun Mike!
Allison
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athenainwi
14 years ago
I bought Over the Moon this spring so I can't say a lot about it. So far the blooms are a lovely apricot color, very large, and fragrant. They don't last as long as some of my roses but they don't blow quickly either. Rebloom is decent for a rose that is still settling in. No disease so far but I do spray.

I don't have the others you are asking about, but I have eyed Rock & Roll several times as it does look like a nice rose but I already have Henri Matisse which is quite similar so I never bought Rock & Roll.
hoovb zone 9 sunset 23
14 years ago
'Silverado' is nice, lovely form but needs a few more petals and regular fungicide. It's fairly similar to 'Paradise' if you are familiar with that one, but a more pale lavender and far less of the magenta edging of 'Paradise'. No, doesn't hold that beautiful florist form for long that I can remember. Best in cool dry spring and cool dry fall.
Molineux
14 years ago
If you want florist, i.e. "exhibition", quality flower form then PARADISE is hard to beat.
mike_in_new_orleans
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14 years ago
Lynn, when I moved, all my roses came with me except for 4 that I gave to neighbor friends. It's less work because they were already all in pots. Allison, Brigadoon was terrific for me when I lived in Mobile. That time I did leave quite few roses behind, taking only young plants and rooted cuttings. That plant was so big and robust that I didn't want to "sentence it" to life in a pot. But it is a beauty.

Regarding Over the Moon, I'm missing Valencia, which was a gangly grower for me but with beautiful and fragrant blooms that lasted well. I've kinda been on the lookout for a worthy apricot replacement for it.

Regarding Rock & Roll, I think I'm going to have to get it to go along with the Red Intuition and Pink Intuition I already have. Used to grow Scentimental, but the blooms always shattered after just a day or two; too frustrating.

As for Silverado, jury's still out for me. I have grown Paradise--several years. It's striking and a great bloomer of modestly sized blooms, but that raspberry edging is quit a different effect than paler lavender. It was a good bush but extra sensitive to garden chemicals; always needed extra diligent watering. If I had unlimited space, I'd still have it, but it was replaced by Fragrant Plum, another good rose, but it has not been the impressive bloomer that Paradise was. I recently bought a young rooted Blue Moon from Heirloom Roses. Nice delicate lavender color, but the bloom form still hasn't impressed me. I'm reserving judgment until it's third year. We'll see. Always on the lookout for a worthy lavender, though. If I don't buy Silverado, I may try Enchanted Evening. I just don't know if I'll be able to get cutting roses from it or if they'll all be in big bloom clusters. I don't have many floribundas, largley because of my bias toward HT form.

Thanks for the input so far, everyone!

Mike
Maryl (Okla. Zone 7a)
14 years ago
Mike: this too is just spring time nursery information, NOT personal growth info so take it with a grain of salt. Rock & Roll had some nice moderately sized blooms but they didn't hold the HT form long when the spring warmed up here. Nothing wrong that I remember about the open form, just that it was open. I'd love to have a red/white striped rose with large blooms that held a HT form for 3 days or so, but I haven't heard of one yet. If you find one please let the people in the warmer growing areas know.
kentucky_rose zone 6
14 years ago
Mike, I got Over the Moon this year. I'm impressed with its disease resistance. I do spray. It seems to be a producer and recycles fairly fast. I agree with the other person's comments about Over the Moon.
blissfulgarden
14 years ago
I have Rock & Roll. It's growing well here in Baton Rouge, so I'm sure it can take the heat and humidity in N.O. No worries there. We do practice regular spraying here, but have not had any issues with disease on this bush. I've only had it a year (purchased in gallon size), so I can't comment on size at maturity, but the growth rate has been typical compared to other cultivars. So far, the blooms on my bush have exhibited the stripe... and as you know, our temps have topped 100 for days on end during June and July. The blooms also have held well considering the heat.
mike_in_new_orleans
Original Author
14 years ago
Oooh, at Louisiana recommendation! Thanks! Blissful, you've cealed the deal for me getting Rock & Roll. I was leaning toward it anyway.
As for Silverado or lavender alternatives, I mentioned I have a very young specimen of Blue Moon. It is just starting to grow up a little bit, and I'm encouraged. Many of my roses' blooms are smallish right now due to the humid summer heat here (what are ya gunna do), so that may be effecting Blue Moon's blooms as well. But I just stuck my nose in a couple yesterday, and the fragrance is amazing! Even in this heat. I'm happy. By October and November in our peak bloom season, I should have a better idea how good the bloom form can be.

Wisconsin Roses is the only place I saw that sells Silverado, and they list Over the Moon as well. I noticed another lavender they have is Azure Sea and supposedly it stands up to heat well. Does anyone know about that one?

Molinex, about Paradise, I forgot to mention that it blooms a lot, but seems to result in smaller blooms as a result of splitting its energy up to produce so many at once. Mine always made its biggest blooms early in the spring its first flush after the winter pruning. Fewer but larger. After that, I'd get 15 or 25 or 30 per flush but only about 3 inch diameter blooms. Maybe regional climate is a factor there, too?

Mike
bethnorcal9
14 years ago
Mike, I have all of those. SILVERADO is a replacement one. My own root one died a few yrs ago. I had a hard time finding it. Got one from Vintage awhile back, but it didn't survive. Then I got one from Steve last yr. I'd say "get it" mainly because it is a rose not seen that often anymore. It's been so long since my original died, that I can't remember much about it as far as habit goes. All I know is I liked the whitish reverse on lavender.

ROCK & ROLL has been a tough one for me. I got it from Rosemania last yr, but it never broke dormancy. Ordered it from Regan's this season, and haven't seen a blooom yet. I know when it does its thing it's gonna be spectacular. I just wish it would hurry up.

OVER THE MOON is one I got from Steve this spring. So far, I like it. Got off to a great start. Nice big apricot blooms. The heat fried the next batch of blooms tho.. (We've had 100+ temps lately)
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PARADISE is wonderful. Sometimes those blooms are just so beautiful, it's unreal! Here's one that never got the ruby edge:
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AZURE SEA is a pretty nice rose. It gets pretty tall for me.... like 5ft or so. The repeat isn't always great, but some yrs are better than others. I guess it depends on whether I fertilized or not. The blooms are quite lovely. The thrips like them tho. (I don't spray.)
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mike_in_new_orleans
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14 years ago
Thanks, Beth. Nice pics! I got my first-ever roses from Steve last winter; never grew any on that rootstock before, but so far so good with both my Red Intuition and Pink Intuition. So I want to order again from him.
You seem to have such a huge list of varieties you've grown. May I pick your brain further? Haver you grown Soutine? Another red and white striper; I only know of Vintage Gardens selling it, and seems to only be by custom rooting, which is a bit expensive for my blood. Are there any other sources? I still intend to get Rock & Roll, but that is partly because I'd given up on being able to obtain a Soutine. Second, I already have to spot-spray a lot of my rose buds against thrips damage, so that may not be a deal-breaker for Azure Sea, but the vigorous kudos here for Paradise have me considering replacing mine. hmm...too many roses, not enough money or space or time. ; )

Mike

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