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Etoile de Lyon, whole plant pics

catspa_NoCA_Z9_Sunset14

10 years ago

There aren't enough whole-plant photos of roses in general, but this tea particularly deserves some, being, hands-down, the best-looking shrub of the whole lot in my garden. The structure and leaves are always flawless, which makes up totally (in my eyes) for the blooms being so easily marred by rain or mist. But that's not so often here (1st flush, some years), so all is good. Another aspect of Etoile de Lyon is that it is effectively a white rose in my garden (sun, sun, sun here in Livermore). To get the yellow color, you have to cut it and bring it inside. The rare all-day gloom of the past few days made even the garden flowers more yellow. The shrub is about 6' tall and at least 10' wide.

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Another side:

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On the shrub, yellower than usual:

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In the house a few days, yellowest of all:

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Le Pactole is the same, color-wise. Here's its yellow phase, after a few gloomy days:

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pat_bamaz7

6 years ago

Hi Tangles, My EdL came as a one gallon own root in the fall of 2014. I potted it up and let it grow in a large container until putting it in the ground spring of 2016. So far, it is much wider than tall, which is common with my teas...they tend to grow out for the first few years and then start growing up. It's probably around 5 ft wide now, but only about 3 ft tall. Mine is in all day full sun and takes that well here (we have average summer temps in the 90s with a day or two in the low 100s here and there; our humidity is very high and we normally get rain every week or two throughout the growing season). Mine blooms in flushes with quick repeat even in the highest temps (seems to prefer heat). Blooms do lose their yellow quickly in heat, though...fade to creamy white soon after opening in high heat. Blooms will ball and turn to brown mush without opening in cooler weather if rain/humidity are high. Fragrance is moderate to my nose. I don't remember it being overly thorny.

A few pics of mine from 2017:

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Poorbutroserich Susan Nashville
10 years ago
Thanks for sharing. I bought two of these from RU this summer and they are my healthiest roses. I hope they remain that way. Blooms are gorgeous!
Susan
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
10 years ago
That is a really magnificent bush, and the flowers are gorgeous. What I can glimpse of the surrounding garden is equally lovely. I wonder whether I shouldn't be living in the northern part of California.....

Ingrid
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I shouldn't try to help because our climates are different. My Etoile de Lyon is happy. I was trying to think of smaller teas though for you to try. Devoniensis is so beautiful. It is only sometimes creamy yellow then fades to white. I have been extremely pleased with Madame Charles. It is a graceful plant. I don't think it would get too big. The flowers are more peachy than yellow.
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My experience with ETOILE DE LYON is very limited as I've only had it a single season. I purchased it for my mother's no spray USDA Zone 7b garden in the spring. So far its the black spot resistance has been superior to Mrs. Dudley Cross and Souvenir de Pierre Notting (two other yellow Tea roses that I purchased at the same time). In late July the tiny own root plant produced one small bloom of breathtaking beauty. Oh the flower form! Globular, the outer petals forming a deep cup with a delightful tangle of petals in the middle. Color was remarkable too: pale golden yellow with a pearly sheen and a translucency like sheer silk. To my surprise the small bloom was literally drenched in perfume. Poor mom could barely smell it but to my nose (which is admittedly sensitive to Tea rose) the fragrance was powerful with that sharp freshness that we associate with the Tea Roses. I cut the bloom and carried it with me in my shirt pocket for hours while I worked in her garden under the hot summer sun. If this rose gets bigger and blooms more next year then it may just give DUCHESSE DE BRABANT a run for her money as my favorite Tea rose. One word of caution though. Nurseries are notorious for getting Etoile de Lyon and Souvenir de Pierre Notting mixed up. They are definitely NOT the same rose. This year SdPN had a lot of black spot while EdL was hardly affected. EdL's flowers are also more rounded and Bourbon like. I got my EdL from VINTAGE GARDENS, a small privately owned nursery that has made the effort to keep the two roses apart. Patrick
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There's 'Anna Olivier' and there's "Bermuda's Anna Olivier". The latter was once thought to be the former, but later it was found not to be true, and instead, "Bermuda's Anna Olivier" is 'Etoile de Lyon'. The rose called "Soncy" in Bermuda is either 'Alexander Hill Gray' or 'Amazone', depending on whom you ask. I have AHG and EdL, though both are young and potted. For me, besides knowing them by plant shape, there's a little flaw had by EdL but not AHG -- the outer petals on EdL typically brown a bit as the bloom opens. If I intend to add EdL to a vase, I just tear off those outer petals. As to differences with Australia, the one I remember concerns their "Fake Perle", which was once thought to be 'Perle des Jardins' until the real thing was found again. Australia's "Fake Perle" is the same rose which is sold here in the US as 'Alliance Franco-Russe'. I have both of these, again as pot-pets, and their blooms are similar. But I find their foliage to be noticeably different. And, at least so far, AFR is stouter and more upright, while PdJ is lower and spreading. All of my plants mentioned above came from Rose Petals Nursery. :-) ~Christopher
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lbuzzell
10 years ago
I totally agree that the bush is a marvellous shape in the garden. Thanks for the great pix! We lost our 1st flush to brown petals, though - wish it didn't do that.
zjw727
10 years ago
Those flowers are really lovely. I agree: I wish there were more pictures of the whole bush.
portlandmysteryrose
10 years ago
Catspa

Both lovely teas. Roses that fade, like Etoile and Le Pactole, are soft and romantic. I grow Buff Beauty for similar effect in a not so sunny clime. I'm enjoying your healthy, happy teas since my PDX ones will never be what I pretend that they are. It's raining on them right now.

Carol
catspa_NoCA_Z9_Sunset14
Original Author
10 years ago
Thank you, all, for the kind comments. Carol, Etoile de Lyon is such a wimp about cool moisture in the air here, I imagine it would not be a great tea for PDX, unless you like brown, sodden masses of gunk on twigs. Linda, I had to strip off most of the first flush this year, too -- total bummer.

I also posted these pics on HMF (forwarding the cause of whole-plant shots) and Billy West (one of the Australian tea book authors) commented on the vase photo (in part), "Some older articles mention the methods exhibitors used to bring out the yellow in certain roses. eg. tying brown paper bags over the buds, and using elaborate paraphernalia to support cut-off brown beer bottles held over promising buds." Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of time -- I'll just appreciate my soft and romantically fading blooms, or cut some and bring them inside. :-)

This post was edited by catspa on Thu, Jun 27, 13 at 20:33
strawchicago z5
10 years ago
I love soft light yellow roses.... thank you, catspa, for a great show.
Tangles Long
6 years ago
I'm considering getting this rose. I saw a couple of photos of this rose on helpmefindrose website and have fallen in love with it. Was planning to get Gloire de Dijon, but no nursery stock it in Australia at the moment. Is Etoile deLyon a fast growing rose? I have a small yard. Does it repeat fast? Is the fragrance strong? And whats the thorns like?
Alana8aSC
6 years ago
Beautiful! Thank you for sharing!
titian1 10b Sydney
6 years ago
Tangles, I have had it for about 3 or 4 years now. The blooms can be beautiful, but in my climate, they are usually browned at the edges, if not totally balled. The petals don't drop either, so I have to pluck the unsightly mess off. I'm removing mine, and I think I'm right in remembering that catspat is/has removed hers.
jerijen
6 years ago
Linda Buzzell -- If you peel off the outermost petals, blooms will open flawlessly.
titian1 10b Sydney
6 years ago
Tangles, this is how mine looks most of the time when it opens, and then it goes completely brown. It may be fine for you, though, if your climate isn't humid. It does this even without rain.
Lisa Adams
6 years ago
Looks like a good one for the land of hot and dry. Some of those pictures are just gorgeous! Lisa
titian1 10b Sydney
6 years ago
Yes Lisa, it might do well for you. When it is good, it is very, very good!
titian1 10b Sydney
6 years ago
Tangles, I'm surprised that no nursery has Gloire de Dijon. Even bare root, in winter?
summersrhythm_z6a
3 years ago
Here is my whole plant photo! It came back to life! :-)
portlandmysteryrose
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago
I love the "whole plant photo"! Ha, ha.

Are you going to post it on HMF? :-D

How do I insert that little trumpet noisemaker emoji on HOUZZ? Anyway, I am so happy for you, Summers! It's a rose lover's small miracle gifted from the universe when we spot tiny foliage rising from the ashes. Much celebration! Carol
summersrhythm_z6a
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago
Thanks Carol! :-) I was so happy to see that! I waited for 3 years to get this rose band,, but someone in my family almost killed the poor thing. This is the reason I keep dead looking roses for a while hoping for miracle. Lol

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