So that's where my Rose Des Cisterciens went!! I ordered Rose Des Cisterciens from Hortico a few years back and got Autumn Damask. They eventually replaced the erroneously labeled Rose Des Cisterciens with the real thing, and it looks just like what you have there.

Kathy

That's funny. I guess I should have ordered 21st Century since Hortico always ran out of Rose Des Cisterciens every time I tried to order it.

By the way rochester, don't go out of your way to get 21st Century. I have it from one of the big box stores (Lowes) and it's not one I'd replace if it happened to die. Faded out yellow color on a bush that's not vigorous and fairly mildew prone. Add to that slow to rebloom.

wow! the form of your Rose Des Cisterciens is very lovely! I've never seen a pink striped rose that looked so pretty... Does it have strong fragrance? When I looked it up on Google all the descriptors were in French not English... I would love to have a real French rose in my garden... I teach my Border Collie Eluane commands in French, like nettoyez, for example, which means clean up (she knows each of her toys by name and has to put them away into the corner of the dining room) Or I'll tell her jete (jump over the hurdles) or pirouette, etc. etc. Now I have to start my own fragrant French rose collection...

Just in case it doesn't turn out to be Rose Des Cisterciens, it does look a lot like my two Claude Monets.

Susan :-D

Thanks everyone. I looked up both roses on Helpmefind, and I think it looks more like Claude Monet! The other rose was a little too ruffled, although I realized one of my pics is pretty ruffled, they are not typically like that. The whole thing is about to bloom again, and I can post another pic in a few days. But I think its Monet. Funny though, for a hybrid tea, it has rather short stems. Susan9, do your Monets have shortish stems also? Most of the flowers are individuals, not clusters. Thanks!

I thought of Claude Monet as soon as I saw your pics.

The colors seem too soft for Claude Monet. Here's mine:

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There is another striped rose in that same series named after French Impressionist painters that had the softer colors like that, but I can't remember which one. The other one that came to mind was 'Tropical Sunset'.

Hopefully Beth sees this thread, she has all those stripe-ys

hoovb,

Yours looks nothing like mine does! I actually like the colors in yours, but mine tends to be as soft as the pictures above.

Guys, I don't think it's the Claude Monet...Compared to the color of Rose Des Cisterciens, I also found that Claude Monet has far more instances of intense color as HoovB's rose compared to Rose Des Cisterciens...

here is the Rose Des Des Cisterciens

1:

2:
this beautiful closeup... image is to large to post, but here it is...
http://www.schmid-gartenpflanzen.de/elements/photo/user/original_size/499_0.jpg

3:

Does your rose have strong fragrance...? If so, I'm going to try my hardest to find it, like I will with Camelot to see if the fragrance matches to what I'm looking for in my next new rose additions (besides 4 more climbing rose that I will be acquiring)

You guys are working way too hard on this rose!! It's true that it looks nothing like hoovb's picture, but I checked the many images on Helpmefind, and it's a dead ringer for Claude Monet. Honestly.... I do grow Tropical Sunset, by the way, so I know it's not that one either. The fragrance is pleasant but mild. Nothing to get carried away about. It does resemble pic #3 above, though I don't know which rose that actually is. I can post more pics in a few days when it blooms.

It's easy to see how Hortico could confuse a pink/yellow striped hybrid tea with a pink OGR that starts with a different letter and a yellow hybrid tea that starts with yet a different letter. Maybe they were all in the pizza oven at the same time, or under a jumble of shoes in the manager's closet.

hehe! yes, pic #3 is still Rose de Cisterciens so the 2 obviously resemble each other quite closely... Claude M. versus Cisterciens...

Darn, I did want a lovely pink striped rose, but fragrance is the number one requirement for me...need something to RAVE about! lol! Unless of course, someone has a Cisterciens and can tell me if it's a heavy scenter for sure... since Claude Monet is listed as only slightly fragrant, just as you described...

Rochester, when I first saw your two pics, I thought Claude Monet, but I didn't post until I looked at some pics of RDC. I've had two Claude Monets for maybe 6 years, taken as cuttings from the SJHRG. Your first pic is typical of Claude's new blooms, the second one typical of more faded ones. Before I posted, I went to HMF and that RDC rose seemed to have really scalloped edges that your rose doesn't, which was why I suggested Claude.

Holy moly Hoov, my Claudes have never ever been that intense in color! Are you sure you actually have Claude Monet? It's not just the intensity of the colors, but the specific form of the stripes that makes me wonder about the identity of your rose. BTW, it's a beautiful rose. I just don't think it's Claude Monet.

I'm curious why most of the pics of RDC on HMF show such deeply scalloped edges (most from Europe and which presumably are actually RDC), and yet some of you still think that Roch's rose is RDC, and not Claude Monet.

The CRL lists Claude Monet as a HT/F. Mine definitely bloom in clusters with short stems typical of floribundas. The blooms are pretty big though, hence the HT/F dilemma. Kinda the same deal with Kanegem and several others.

Very interesting discussion!

Susan

Actually Susan, you are very right... I do believe that it is Claude Monet now... It's just that I found the 3rd pic to look like Rochesterman's rose and that RDC is not scalloped...But you are right when I looked at the text Google and not the images Google, I noticed very pronounced scalloped edges deeper within the links, so I retract my original statement... I just forgot to clarify since I'm looking for a very fragrant, light pink striped and! French rose! But now I'm waiting for KStrong to say whether her RDC has or does not have a strong fragrance...

My first thought was CLAUDE. I have both it and RdeC but that one was a whimpy little thing from Hortico last yr and still hasn't given me a bloom yet, so I can't compare. My CM fades a lot. I don't think I've ever had a bloom quite as intense in color as yours Hoovb. In looking back at past photos, I don't ever see any "red" in mine like yours has. The deepest color it gets is a med-dark strawberry pink and creamy yellow, and it quickly fades to the paler colors like Rochesterroseman's pics. As for the scalloping, CM does occasionally get a little bit of it too. So withouth actually having seen RdeC in person, I'd still say it's CLAUDE MONET!

Well, maybe I have something else. I would not be surprised! The thing I like about it is the exceptional disease resistance. It's always clean right down to the base of the plant, even in the worst conditions.