the droopiness will correct itself. eventually the rose will pick the canes up out of the dirt.

You want to change boring old floopy into a perky beauty that says "Walk this way, Sugar". When floopy develops enough canes to give her a new hairdo, try a 'shag' cut. She definitely needs a layered look.

Ann

Floppiness is a problem for all centifolias. I will disagree with the others' comments and say you cannot really counter this with pruning, especially a once-bloomer like 'Celsiana.' Perhaps a low perennial support ring may help.

I no longer grow centifolias, as lovely as the blooms are.

The ancient damask rose 'Celsiana' is one of the most charming of the OGRs. Its lime green canes rarely seem to get thicker than a pencil even on a mature plant. I have a ÂCelsiana growing in a partially shady, windy, cold spot in zone 4. It has been there since 1991 along with the alba ÂSuaveolensÂ. They are part of a row of shrubbery as a foundation planting. They were planted while the neighboring shrubs were younger and over time the Andromeda has grown to the point that ÂCelsiana must grow through the Andromeda to get to the light above. The Andromeda gives great support to the rose and ÂCelsiana grows to well over 6 through it with its long canes waving above. When it flowers, it flops its slender canes onto the Andromeda displaying the flowers across the top and down the sides.

Last fall rabbits attacked all my roses eating the bark off of the canes to the point that most of the canes died. This year I have all new canes on my roses so it was not a year of abundant bloom. ÂCelsiana is struggling a little with 4 canes making their way through the Andromeda which is almost 5 tall. It wonÂt flower this year but next year I expect to see those crinkly flowers waving above the Andromeda.