Vintage Order ideas for SF bay area (peninsula)

10 years ago

My basic landscaping is ready and I am finally ready to place my order. After ogling Vintage roses for the past year, I want to order as much as I can from them before they close. As they are local to me ( I am south of SF), I feel somewhat nostalgic that they are closing. But I am feeling quite overwhlemed by the amount of choices. I though if I posted pictures of where I can plant roses, it would trigger some inspiring ideas from you all.

Ideas are appreciated for the following. I love roses with a perfume more than anything else. I have about half an acre plot with some sunny and some shady areas.

1) 2 climbers for an arbor over garden gate. Plan to grow with clematis. Thinking thornless may be better here. Some shade near the base from the brick wall. I am planning a small sitting area there to the left and was thinking something fragrant like zepherine drouhin and kathleen harrop with some white clematis would be pretty. I really want a classic rose fragrance here.
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2) I have a garage with a brick wall that I want to grow a beautiful rambler on. Something that will scramble over the roof and look pretty with leaves year round and when it blooms once or more will bloom it's heart out. I like the looks of smaller cupped flowers and would love something pink here that will look nice with my red roof. Of course fragrant :)
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3) There is this rather ugly old gnarly juniper tree and I am thinking that I can grow a rambler here to climb over the tree that will grom and cover it and camoflague it. Somethink like Paul's Himalayan Musk. I hoping to not spend the money cutting trees and instead buy from Vintage Roses.
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4) This is our bedroom window and I will be growing some blue mophead hydrangeas under the window. I was thinking about a mannerly climbing rose and a medium size bush here one on each side. Do you think the eaves will be a problem? I have a lovely window seat on the other side and I would love be able to see and smell the rose
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The window seat in the bedroom on the other side where I plan to spend a lot of time reading and enjoying the garden view.
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I have room for another climber and clematis here but there may not be enough sun here. Also have room for some bushes
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This planned as a perennial border and some roses will be nice. Also have room for another climber on the old trellis that is pretty strong. The little bird feeding station seems like it would like a pretty little rose
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luxrosa

10 years ago

last modified: 9 years ago

For the shaded area, on the wall, I would plant
Alba Semi Plena, and Felicite Parmentier, from vintagegardens.com or Hortico.com (mail order in September)
with six hours of full sun you have a wide choice of roses in our latitude,
From roguevalleyroses.com and a.r.e.
on the wall with trellising support
Crepescule on the wall
Marachel Niel on the wall,
Spray Cecille Brunner, on the wall
Mme. Alfred Carriere
Reve d'Or or grown with lower canes removed as a self supporting bush.
from pickeringnurseries.com in septermber
Celine Forestier grown as a bush or climber
M.A.C.
Alistair Stlella Gray for a climbing rose or stripped of lower canes and grown as a 6' tall shrub. pickeringnurseries.com

For deep and rich fragrance.
vintagegardens.com
Mme. Boll
Musk scent.
Reverend Seidel
R. moschata I'd plant several of these in a row where the breeze with carry the sweet musk scent for several yards away from the bush.

Horico.com
Arrilaga , huge spiral centered silvery pink cabbage shaped roses, good rebloom, needs full sun for those large blooms and gets some p.m. nearer the coast.
Baronne Prevost very fragrant and disease resistant, here.
Autumn Damask' roguevalleyroses.com fragrant and very pretty.
Grandmothers Hat, a great reliable rose, Morcom park in Oakland has several of these planted in a row, grown 5' tall, as well as a climbing rose. fragrant and disease resistant. annies annuals may have some if rogue valley has sold out.

vintagegardens has already sold out of all the Tea roses, but you could buy these from roguevalley roses.com or a.r.e.:
Mrs. B.R. Cant , pink, fragrant and long blooming season, it blooms from March through early December in my garden.
Westside Road Cream Tea' white and scented, 4' by 4' 1/2' tall, very resistant to p.m. a row of these with Grandmothers Hat in back would be my idea of fragrant beauty. , i
Cornelia' from hortico.com they sell it as a Musk rose, it is my favorite rose bred by Pemberton, small blossoms in profusion, scented of musk and rose.
Blush Noisette'

Mermaid (hortico.com a climbing rose that I've espaliered on my back fence to keep it in line, spicy fragrant lemon yellow rose with beautiful red filiments.
Red and fragrant Hybrid Tea rosebushes, disease resistant in my no spray gardens:
Souvenir du Claudius DeNoyal
Crimson Glory
Papa Meilland , not floriferous but the cupped roses are huge goblets filled with perfume, when fed well.

In our latitude all the China, Old Garden Tea and Noisette rose are shade tolerant, for roses this means they still need 6 hours of full sun, or 4 hours of full sun and 4 hours of filtered sun
the most fragrant Tea I've ever smelled is 'Anna Olivier' it is very disease resistant even on the coast by the highway near Monteray.

alba class roses need fewer hours of sun: 4 to 5 will serve in this latitude, all Alba roses bloom for 3 to 4 weeks in one bloom season each year, but they are very pretty plants even when out of bloom.

I have grown all the roses listed above except for Reverend Seidel' in my no spray gardens in Oakland, and Richmond, Califonria.

Roses to avoid in no-spray gardens in or near San Francisco, Ca or wherever conditoins favor the spread of powdery mildew:
Georgetown Tea
Ducher'
both defoliated in my garden from p.m. and this greatly lessened bloom production.

Feed the soil first before you think of fertilzing.
I love Orchard Hardwares "Rose Soil" I used to have to mix c. 10 different items and micronutriets with alfalfa meal and bone meal etc.
but its all in the rose soil. I use 1/2 bag for each hole for a regular sized rosebush (4 to 5' tall) to a full bag for climbers, and large Tea rosebushes, be sure and mix native soil in with it, or you will get the bathtub effect.
50% to 60% rose soil depending on if you have the heavy California clay that I do.
a shovel full of well rotted manure, horse is very good, organic steer manure is also fine
25% to 33% of native soil, the soil from the hole you dug.
well rotted compost to bring it up to 100%

just f.y.i. I'd do a ph test before you begin, roses like slightly acid soil, do another test after you mix the soil blend and plant the first rosebush.
Good luck,
Luxrosa

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luxrosa
10 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I live near san francisco, ca in Richmond,
You have a fair amount of shade, by conifers.
In our latitude, one blooming roses can take a fair amount of shade but they will have to be grown in full sun until they are 4-5 feet tall, then moved in winter, The further a rose climbs from the ground, the more sun it can get, in general.
-be sure you amend your soil well, california clay is heavy.
-be sure you plant your roses 4' or more from a foundation or they will dry out and die.

I'll check the vintagegardens.com list and make my reccomendations.

How exciting! a new rose garden.

Lux.
jerijen
10 years ago
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Lolo -- Zephirine Drouhin has a distressing reputation for mildewing in CA. I think you may have the same problem with KH. Check with someone close to you about those.

One of the earliest errors we made in roses was to allow ourselves to be seduced by the Bourbons, Hybrid Perpetuals, Gallicas, and Damasks. Those roses do not flourish in our coastal Southern CA area. It took us several years to admit that our best roses were Teas, Chinas, Noisettes, and Tea-Noisettes -- even tho they may lack that classic HT fragrance.

You need, first, a healthy plant under your lovely rose, and some will be better than others for you. What is the pH and composition of your soil? Your water? These will greatly affect the choices you should make.

Most of all, talk to your "near neighbors" on this list -- rather than those far away from you (like me). Find out what will be a champ in YOUR garden.

Jeri
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brenda_l_w
10 years ago
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I think Vintage may be sold out but cl. Cecile Brunner would look great on your garage. Over here in the East Bay it is frequently seen devouring sheds, garages and entire sides of houses.
Is the picture of your bedroom window taken in the morning or afternoon? I would worry that afternoon sun would burn the hydrangeas and they would need a lot of water to stay pretty. I would be tempted to plant a fragrant rose so the scent wafted into my bedroom. I found Rose de Rescht at Annies Annuals in Richmond this week and it made my car smell lovely on the way home. It should get to be about 3 to 5 feet tall. I haven't read too much about how it performs in the Bay Area but Annies is really reliable about selling good local performers.

This post was edited by brenda_l_w on Fri, Jun 14, 13 at 22:08
jerijen
10 years ago
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That's a great list, Lux. More or less the things I THOUGHT might do well for her, but being down here, I wasn't sure.

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fogrose
10 years ago
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Just so you don't get disappointed, there's not much left at Vintage, which is a good thing for them.

Diane
jerijen
10 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
If not Vintage, try Rogue Valley Roses, and Burlington Rose Nursery.

And also the Antique Rose Emporium, in TX -- our first Teas and Noisettes came from ARE, many years ago.

Jeri
fogrose
10 years ago
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Also Luxrosa, Pickering no longer ships to the USA so their roses are not an option.

Diane

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