Eugene de Beauharnais, like most purplish roses, would benefit from afternoon shade. It can be a little challenging, from what I've read, but I had one long ago and it did well. I'd advise plenty of mulch and water, and morning sun only if you can manage it.

As far as pruning goes, I'd let these roses have a chance to grow for some time until you even think about pruning. I've had Souvenir de la Malmaison for at least three years and I've never pruned it. It's better to err on the conservative side rather than prune and set the rose back a year or two because it didn't like it. That's especially true of the teas like Maman Cochet.

Ingrid

ingrid_vc, these are all bands I got around mid feb this year, so I wasnt planning on pruning for a long time. I just want to learn what each rose likes & dislikes, especially sun/shade since I will be planting some this fall & I want to put them in the right spot.
I will give Eugene de Beauharnais afternoon shade.

Jeri, we have low humidity so hopefully that will help keep disease low. If you remember I already posted about sdlm having mildew a couple of months ago. I used milk spray & its helped a bunch. Old Town Novato is on my want list. My big concern is I will prune them wrong (when the time comes) or fry them in too much afternoon sun.
tim

I second Jeri's post. I no longer have Mme. Isaac Pereire (nor Mme. Ernst Calvat) because the stinky, pretty faces didn't come anywhere close to excusing the terrible plants under them. Malmaison I endure at a client's house because she likes the few flowers it delivers annually which aren't fouled, balled messes. I won't give it a drop of water in MY garden so it isn't here. I grow Eugene because I want to eventually bud it on Fortuniana to see if it is any healthier. The old Newhall climate was arid enough to prevent rust. Encino isn't.

Eugene is a small rose here and is beginning to finally sucker. Grandmother's Hat you CAN'T hurt by pruning. If she doesn't like what you've done to her, she'll thumb her nose and do what SHE wants anyway. Same with Marchesa Boccella. The ONLY thing I don't like about Marchesa is how quickly the flowers are gone. Really hot days they last about twenty minutes, then POOF! Otherwise, it's a lovely plant with great fragrance.

Distant Drums really needs to be budded. DO NOT prune it hard or it will get even with you. The flowers smell heavenly and can be incredibly colored, but provide protection against the worst of the sun and heat intensity or you'll never see anything but pale lavender spent flowers. Kim

I have for years regarded "Old Town Novato" as a desirable replacement for 'Mme. Isaac Pereire.' It is a handsomer and healthier rose. (Note to self: Get DH to propagate some OTN.)

Kim, if budding to Fort improves Eugene de Beauharnais, that would be a blessing. I note that it grows well in the Sacramento City Cemetery (as 'Le Grande Capitaine').

I wonder what Austin's 'The Dark Lady' would be like, on Fort . . .

Thahalibut

I garden in a different climate but will chip in any info I have to offer. I have an organic, no spray garden. However, 'Black Gold' is about to get a hard dose of something--baking soda?

'Eugene' is a beautiful rose, and even in PDX, I plant it in some shade for fear those delicate petals will burn in July-August. Other purples like 'Tuscany Superb' and 'The Prince' are in full sun. 'Eugene' can blackspot here. Perhaps the Bourbon in the heritage? Interestingly, 'Hermosa,' which is also probably China/Bourbon, does not blackspot much. Pruning 'Eugene': for shape and dead wood removal in late winter here. Deadhead for continuous bloom. In my experience he is more diminutive in stature...like 'Hermosa.'

And speaking of Bourbons in PDX, 'Madame Isaac' and 'Malmaison' both blackspot. 'Madame Isaac' is worse but has an incredible fragrance.

'Marchesa Boccella/Madame Boll' and 'Rose de Rescht' are disease-free to date. 'Quietness' and 'Distant Drums' have been relatively disease-free in clients' gardens. I won't discuss tea roses in soggy PDX. It wouldn't be fair.

I have yet to grow any of Paul's roses but have heard very good things about them. 'Siren's Keep' has also piqued my curiosity ever since I read RVR's fragrance description: fffff!

The Rugosas like 'Therese' and 'Moje' perform well in general. Ditto for 'Rescht.' I'm talking disease-wise, bloom-wise, fragrance-wise. Eventual pruning of these 3: not picky. I prune for size and shape but don't cut 'Rescht' more than 1/3. I do the Felco equivalent of shearing in late winter and then clip back here or there as needed, and I deadhead for continued bloom. You will need to spade up stoloniferous extras that pop up around 'Rescht' and rugosas unless they live in open spaces. There will be thorns.

'Marchessa' is ditto above on pruning methods. I whack back up to 1/2 in late winter. 'Marchessa' can get surprisingly tall. Ditto Kim on the 'Marchessa' blooms in west-facing beds in PDX. Better/longer lasting blooms in east-facing ones or light shade.

I installed 'Distant Drums' in several clients' gardens. Once again, as Kim noted, the unusual color combos are mostly visible in cooler weather and light shade. Fragrance is lovely. Ditto the fragrance for 'Quietness.' I lightly prune both. Prune for shape and dead wood removal in late winter here. Deadhead for continuous bloom.

Carol

Give Eugene every goodie you can. He's not overly vigorous.

Souvenir de la Malmaison is a great rose. It smells delicious and has good repeat. It is low growing, so plant it in the front of a border or in a very large pot...mine was planted in a huge pot and it seemed very happy. It liked full sun but the blooms had more color when it got afternoon shade. I no longer have it due to severe blackspot problems, but your growing conditions are very different from mine.

My Therese Bugnet stayed small and had few blooms its first few years until I relocated it to a full sun spot. It now blooms early, virtually covered in blooms and has good repeat the older it gets. Mine gets little to no disease and is very easy care. It is about 5x3 and I haven't pruned it except to remove spent blooms or dead wood.

Mme. Isaac Pereire's blooms knock my socks for the scent but mine is struggling...maybe it just gets too cold here in the winters, which have been severe as of late. I believe that if it were in a more protected location and got more regular watering it might be doing much better. Its first few years here it did amazingly...got huge and was covered in blooms. But the last few springs...it has had so many dead branches that had to be cut away that it is now a much smaller rose. Okay, I think I have talked myself into relocating it. Thank you :)

Rose de Rescht does wonderfully in my garden...with hardly any care. It blooms reliably each spring and doesn't seem to need anything special. It has almost no disease. It is in a partial shade location. It has stayed small for me (3x3) and I haven't really pruned it except to get out dead wood.

Enjoy your new roses! Shelley

Thanks for the feedback, I'm taking notes :-)
Here is my first bloom on quietness a couple of days ago.
tim

Fantastic photo! You captured everything I love about this rose. Her colors remind me of Ingrid's garden. Did your nose get a good whiff as your eyes ogled her?

Carol

I just want to throw in a word for Mme. Isaac Pereire.To me, the flowers can be so beautiful that it's worth putting up with some of the plants "issues". For example, with the wet, cool weather we've had here this spring, Mme. Isaac was not at it's best this year-but nor have any of the bigger-flowered roses . Mme. does get some b-spot,but again, a lot of my other roses have it too, because of the weather, and the fact that I didn't do any copper spray to help kill off fungus. But last year Mme IP was stunning; I found myself just staring at the flowers and thinking "how beautiful! how incredibly beautiful!" It also gives a good mass-display effect from far away, which is important to me for my large landscape. The plant has a rathar awkward habit, but this can easily be circumvented by training it as a climber, on a tripod, for example.I think that ,as with most roses, climate and soil differences are crucial to the plants'"behaviour". So far, bourbons seem to do rather well for me. But I can't grow rugosas! I tried Roseraie de L'Hay and the Austin hybrid Wild Edric, and both were absolutely pathetic,completely refused to grow...so though many people will say "Bourbons are disease-y; rugosas are fool-proof",this has NOT been the case in my garden at all! cheers, bart

Rugosas are lovely roses -- BUT they are a failure here, where conditions are so alkaline. Too bad, too, because I like 'em.

Jeri

Thahalibut, please don't let my words put you off 'Madame Isaac'! As Bart noted, she is one of the Grande Dames. When she's good, you won't really notice the blackspot. You'll be absorbed in eyeballing her gorgeous blooms and sticking your nose in all that intoxicating scent. You can also plant her next to the compost buckets in a sunny side yard or bed behind the garage where you only venture to turn the layers of black gold and gather cutting flowers. In that location, who cares if she looks a little shabby? Snip her blooms and invite her to perfume your kitchen or living room. She will. Carol

This post was edited by PortlandMysteryRose on Mon, Jun 17, 13 at 17:14

Carol, quietness fragrance was amazing!
It will be interesting to see how they all do since many seem to be disease prone. It doesnt bother me if an amazing rose has some disease, I can live with a little disease.

Correction to earliest reply: I meant to type 'Marchesa Boccella'/'Jacques Cartier,' not 'Madame Boll.' Apologies!

Yes, the fragrance of ''Quietness' is yummy, isn't it? I'm big on fragrance.

I think this is something worth mentioning about disease. Except for a few twinkies, all my roses show improved fungal resistance with maturity. After several years, many blackspotty kids develop into healthy adults. For example, when my band of 'Frances Dubreuil'/'Barcelona' arrived, it was an infected mess. Now the rose is 100% clean!

Carol

This post was edited by PortlandMysteryRose on Wed, Jun 19, 13 at 2:53

I hope all of those roses do beautifully for you - your 'Quietness' picture is wonderful; it is one of my favorites of the Buck roses.