Would you gift us Southerners with a pic of the hedge in full bloom?

Absolutely wonderful! I love seeing roses that I can't grow. The old European roses are incredibly beautiful and have such mysterious and romantic associations with the past. I'm so glad they're still being grown and treasured today.

Ingrid

My gallicas are blooming, too! I have collected 5 in my current garden--Tuscany Superb, Rosa Mundi, the Apothecary's Rose, Camaieux and Paul Barden's Rook. We're having a lovely rose season this year in OR, aren't we? A wonderful reward after the drought, ice and snow, and flooding. Your gallicas are gorgeous, Zjw727! Someday, I may have to try Belle Sans Flatterie. I have coveted her since I first read Suzanne Verrier's Rosa Gallica book. Thank you for sharing your photos of one of my favorite classes of OGRs! Photo of my Camaieux attached. Carol

On man!!!! I love those.

Sigh....not quite cold enough for them here.

Beautiful roses. I too got Rush Family Gallica from RVR as a free rose. Very disappointing weak band that arrived covered in mildew and never recovered.

Belle sans Flatterie is a breathtaking rose. Mine is doing well.

Diane

Mine are probably a week away from opening.

Carol -- we have similar tastes in Gallicas, but my two striped ones are different from yours. I don't have room for more for me, but let me know if I should be on the lookout for suckers of 'Tricolore de Flandre' or 'Georges Vibert' for you.

:-)

~Christopher

Diane, thank you for the Belle referral. I really must try her.

Christopher, maybe we can do a swap sometime. I just moved Rosa Mundi, slicing off extras and giving them away. Camaieux is still somewhat small, but I'll bet that next year, I could swap both of my striped gallicas!

Carol

So the old garden roses require winter chill? I hadn't heard that, but it would explain a bit. I live in MS and mine really haven't done all that well, no matter what. I have other tea roses and grandifloras that have done just fine, one even stubbornly thriving in shade! I had considered moving my Reine Victoria to give her a bit more sun, but it sounds as though she may not do all the well if she can't take the heat. Let me know what you think, please~ !~~

Not all the "old garden roses" require winter chill -- remember, the Chinas and Teas and Noisettes are ALSO OGRs, and they do better in warm climates. It's the once-blooming European OGRs that seem to need "real winter" to do well -- the Gallicas, Albas, Spinosissimas, etc. Bourbons and Hybrid Perpetuals, being hybrids between the old Europeans and the Chinas/Teas/Noisettes, are somewhere in between, with some leaning more toward one side than the other.

:-)

~Christopher

Carol -- I can't fit any more Gallicas anywhere at the moment, but don't count me out just yet. I've infected a coworker with the gardening bug by passing on four roses I got last year but decided not to plant here. She took 'Duchesse de Montebello', 'Evelyn', 'Heirloom' and 'Lagerfeld' to go live in her yard, and I told her that anything she fancies from my garden I'd be happy to share via cuttings/divisions.

I already have a piece of my 'Cardinal de Richelieu' in a pot for her -- a stem that broke off last Autumn and which I stuck in the ground next to the parent plant not only survived the Winter but had just barely started rooting. I have the pot sitting in bright shade for now while it's starting to leaf out, but I think it'll be plant-able by Autumn. I plan on trying to root pieces of a few others that I got from Vintage and don't seem to be available elsewhere after the first round of blooms have finished.

:-)

~Christopher

I adore Gallicas too, though our early season is winding down now. Our dreadfully wet and mild winter gave birth to a particularly sumptuous flowering this year, big substantial blooms and lots of them. Let me add my voice to the chorus of praise for 'Belle sans Flatterie', a wonderful sturdy rose. I'll add that mine, though grafted, began suckering almost at once--the Gallica, grafted portion--which was highly desirable in the place I put it, but might not be equally enthusiastically received by other gardeners. I seem to recall reading somewhere that 'Louis van Till' and 'Aimable Amie' are the same rose: I can't tell any difference, but haven't done a close comparison.
About cold: the European once-blooming old roses require winter chill, but not harsh winter temperatures, in order to flower. I got the proof of this last winter, when we hardly had any frost at all, though abundant temperatures in the thirties and low forties (I believe temperatures below 45F qualify as chill hours). The once-blooming old roses have bloomed stupendously. The unhybridized once-bloomers--those with no China blood--are also all, or nearly all, hardy, I think most good down to Zone 5 or 4 (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). But they don't need Zone 5 conditions to grow and flower very well. They're obviously doing fine in Zone 8 Oregon.
Melissa

Canary Island is Blooming in my garden. I have it only 3 years and have trained 3 canes around a 7 ft Obelisk.
The one at Brooklyn's Cranford Rose Garden is espaliered on a fence and has reached about 8 to 9 ft in the past.

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Why do we always want what we know we can't have? The colors are to die for.

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One of the many Gallica hybrids I have in my seedling archive, still un-named:
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I have 'Charles de Mills' in full bloom, The ones on the bush are carmine fading to mauve; the one in the kitchen is 4" across and purple-purple.

Madame Hardy Bloomed today

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I'm glad I revisited this thread, hoping for more rose portraits. Stunning! I've always thought Camaieux was one of the most beautiful of the striped roses. Carol, your photo proves my point. Mme. Hardy is an exquisite counterpoint in her virginal beauty to all that purple passion.

Ingrid

zjw727, have you, or anyone on the Oregon Coast done any rose prospecting along 101?

I have heard from relatives who live there that gallica and other roses can be seen in the roadside hedges. My father found two escaped ramblers growing along the highway at Siletz Bay: one was' Alberic Barbier' and the other we took to the expert at Bramble and Thorn who thought it might be 'Albertine'. My father and I both disagreed with that ID; I think from studying photos that it might be 'Alida Lovett'. The mystery rambler had none of the coppery tones that one usually associates with 'Albertine', being a medium pink with blueish undertones.

I take it that the small nursery Bramble and Thorn is closed now? It seems to be off the internet.

A couple more gallica share photos below. Tuscany Superb and a slightly shabby Rosa Mundi.

Ingrid, I'm glad you enjoyed Camaieux.

Christopher, I'll make some cuttings and check back when they've rooted. If you have room in your garden (or there's room in your friend's), I can send them. I'd LOVE cuttings of your striped lovelies! This forum just might manage to keep OGRs alive for generations. :-)

Carol

Tuscany Superb again.

Rosa Mundi.

Labrea, I have admired Canary Island Gallica since reading books by Liz Druitt and Mike Shoup. Your specimen is beautiful!

Paul, yet another delicious purple gallica from your breeding program? If it is ever released into commerce, I may need to elbow some more room in my garden.

Carol

Carol,
Indeed it is, dating back to 1998.

Paul

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Here is another picture of the Rush Family Gallica, fully opened.

Paul, that purple is gorgeous! If I had room, I would grow every Gallica I could find. I love everything about them.

Carol, Camaieux has long been on my list- I love striped and spotted roses. And I never ever get tired of seeing Tuscany Superb!

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Burlington's rooted cutting of Canary Island for Brooklyn Botanical Gardens a few years ago. I believe they have it for sale now.

Such pretty blooms!

I want to grow Tuscany Superb. It is in my wish list for fall/spring.

Can't wait for my Rosa Mundi to open but she is about a week away too.

Zachary, I'm going to research the history of Rush Family Gallica.

Labrea, thank you for the Burlington/Brooklyn Botanical/Canary Island Gallica info!

Carol

Carol, I first learned about it a few years ago on Paul's website.

Just a few weeks ago, I realized that it's growing in the "old rose" section of the rose garden at Avery Park in Corvallis. I hadn't noticed it before because it was covered up by a pile of fallen cedar boughs. Now that some of the mess has been cleared, it's growing back, and looks as though it never missed a beat. It's clearly a tough cookie.

Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.paulbardenroses.com/gallicas/rush.html

Thank you, Zachary! I somehow missed it on Paul Barden's website. And I thought I had long memorized every rose listed there! :-) Carol

This was my first gallica rose and still a favorite. I love how the colors change as the flowers age.
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-Chris

I guess I should mention that it's 'Belle de Crecy'! Any idea how to pronounce the "crecy" part properly?
-Chris

I'm not French, and it's been a while since I took French in college, but I think you would want to pronounce 'Crécy' somewhere in between Cress-see and Cray-see.

And if you want to roll your 'r' just a bit, I won't call you frenchified...

I have serious Gallica envy, but not to the point where I'm gonna move somewhere where I'd need to shovel snow.

I was surprised that RU had 'Cardinal Richelieu' on their sale list, but I guess his China ancestry makes him capable of managing without as much prolonged cold? I'd have ordered him in a heartbeat, if I'd thought he'd do well without however many chill hours he presumably needs.

Come to think of it, one of those Florida nurseries had 'James Mason' in stock. I wonder what's up with that?

Chris the pronunciation is like Cressy/ kressy or as vmr aptly wrote Cress-see :-)

And you should roll the r, very French ;-)

Thanks. Good to know! I'd been pronouncing it more like Creshy, but figured that was wrong. I took Spanish in high school, so I'm sure I'm messing up all these French names. Now that I know how to pronounce it, I can't resist posting one more pic:
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I think 'Belle Isis' is pronounced ice-iss (rhymes with hiss), or am I way off? Love the fragrance on this one.
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And lastly, the two beautiful, dark blooms on my baby 'Rook'. No pronunciation help need on this aptly named rose :)

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-Chris

No you're not way off. You just need to rhyme the first Is with hiss too: Iss-iss.

Lovely photos Chris, btw.

Thank you for the Rook pic, Chris. I have a band in my baby rose nursery.

Beautiful photos (and helpful pronunciations), everyone. Love this class of roses!

Carol