Thanks again hoovb and Phil. I guess the true identity of this lovely rose will escape me. Unlike in temperate climates, most florist roses sold here are actually field grown. They are planted by local farmers (family-owned farms) in wide and open areas, under significant elevations (mountainous areas) as the microclimate in elevated areas is cooler (still tropical though). The owners of these small family-owned farms really don't know and don't care about the exact rose names. They choose rose plants which grow well own-root, which survive the local climate and soil, and which yield the highest number of cut flowers. They don't grow on greenhouses so they choose well for the lowest cost. These type of roses are usually sold here at wet markets, in parks and even along frequented church sidewalks by small sidewalk vendors. Some florist roses are from large commercial greenhouse companies and are easily identified by their very large bud size, very large leaf size and very long, thick stems. These larger roses are generically called 'Holland' Roses here as contrasted to the 'American' Roses from the local farmers which are much smaller. These so-called 'Holland'/Greenhouse roses are expensive (5 to 10 times more expensive) and so are only sold at specialty flower shops at upscale malls. Even then, upscale flower shops don't know the exact name of the roses other than the generic 'color + Holland rose' pseudo-name. Exact names are only available if you are privy to the company who grows them or know someone who works there and have access to the exact rose names. How I wish the pictures at helpmefind can help but there is just way too much inconsistency from one photo to the other. Color for one, usually varies a lot due to camera limitations and settings as well as due to the fact that those who post them tend to overprocess their images resulting to exaggerated colors and sheen (probably for that website 'appeal'). This doesn't include the fact that colors can vary under extreme lighting conditions (too dark or too bright an environment when capturing the photo). Add to this the fact that computer monitors need to be calibrated and most of those who do post photos and postprocess them don't bother to do so as the site isn't a photography website. tropical

Hello Everyone I read the above posts and found them to be very informative. About 3 weeks ago I was pronged by a rose thorn, in the knuckle of my middle finger the thorn went very deep. The next morning the finger was extremely swolen and I barely could bend it. I was on a course of anti-biotics so I thought that I was safe. After a couple of days the swelling went down and it seemed to do alright. Now 2-3 weeks later the joint is extremely painfull and bending my finger is getting more difficult. Also it seems that there is pain radiating up my arm to my elbow. I had tennis elbow (why they called it that, I will never know), it should be called screaming pain elbow:) Never the less it seems that the T.E has gone away but the radiating pain is still on going. No red lines up the arm. Any advice? Sincerely, Arieden

I saw an awesome minature rose. It was bright vibrant red. As the roses age the edges of the blooms fade to white. The blooms were about 1-1.5" in size, and the foliage is small. It was for sale in a 1 gallon pot so I have no idea on mature size and the lady didnt know the name of this rose. Any ideas on this rose? Ronda

I appreciate everyone's suggestions! It's definitely not MAC, and after going back over there with clippings from Duchesse de Brabant, I'm 99.976% :-) certain it is MJ Schwartz. After reading more and seeing photos online of MJ Schwartz, and after seeing the blooms in person again....coloring, petals, stamens, leaves, canes, etc. and comparing it to the Duchesse in whole plant form...really it has to be. When I first saw it, with just buds, I did say "oh, is that D de B?" It's just a very recognizable plant and bloom form...no idea why it didn't occur to me in the first place except that I had for some reason thought MJ Schwartz was a boring white sport and it was acting like a climber (but then again..part shade and she's got a Mutabilis and Cramoisi Superier climbing higher than I had any idea they would.) Now I need MJ Schwartz, because it is absolutely gorgeous, and has much more delicious and variable color shadings than I knew!