Ron, this is just Staggering Information, to me! I had thought that (other than the Autumn Damask), that class would not work here. And what about the gallicas? OK, I am off in search of these beauties! If I have learned anything in the past couple of years, it is that I am very impatient for my roses to mature, and the best way to satisfy my dream of a big beautiful garden is to spend every spare dime on whatever rose strikes my fancy as soon as possible!!! I am NOT a clothes-horse, or a purse or shoe or cosmetic addict like so many of the women I work with.... for me, it's definitely all about the roses and the garden, so...... I can't wait til my Vintage order comes in! And I have to see if ARE carries any of these roses! Autumn Showers, Melva, where do you ladies get your mosses, damasks, and gallicas in Texas???

what about hosta in front of the boxwoods? It has lots of variations & low maintenance. I know it's not too exciting, but is very pretty. Also, I have a clematis on the south side of our house & it does great--it's going on year 3.

...and, have you spoken with any recent graduates about their experiences?

GESILA : Your pic's are interesting. The Wu in full sun is in a similar setting to my east foundation at the north end. Not only does it get direct sun but it also gets reflected sun off of the siding. Your Z5 climate, where Wu is, is more like a Z6b micro-climate. I imagine you water there a lot. Do you spot water it, or does it get the same amount of water that your other hostas you've mentioned have scorched? JON: your speculation is interesting, considering both of Gesila's examples are on the same hosta variety. Gesila, did you buy both Wu's from the same stock? Jon, you frequently post about chlorophyll and increased growth. Why do you think taller scapes aren't a similar reaction to more energy from the sun? At this point, from what I have read here I am inclined to be more wiling to move Stained Glass to the sunnier spot and replace it's present position in dappled shade with the Blaze of Glory. But as of yet I have made no decisions, so keep the cards and letters coming please. MOC:Since Theresa reads EVERYTHING in GWHF, and SHE is the pot-head I am sure she will be pressuring me to let her pot-up my hostas so that they can be moved and tested in the new beds. She already had done that with my Wu last summer when I bought it. I actually have three with a lot of space. (Eat your hearts out, brothers and sisters who have saturated hosta beds). The black walnut has grown and this year I have to move my tomato and pepper garden because of the juglone from the walnut. I have a 15x30 plot of well nourished garden now being encroached upon that can be the home of hostas. Theresa is already threatening to visit our numerous antique and resale shops in town looking for things to pot hostas in. It seems that more than just sun may be in play here. One of my daughters has a strip between her garage and entry sidewalk (north side of garage) where she has had only minor success growing hosta in. I have often wondered if part of the problem is lime that leaches out of the concrete sidewalk and foundation changing the pH of the soil, and the effect of sun on the leached lime or the leaching of lime from concrete. I know the rocks I use as markers that I failed to recognize as limestone barely last one season, while the igneous rocks remain unchanged. That may also infuluence the scape length in Gesila's Wu planted along a concrete footing. I am thinking too much right now and have to C&C (close and contemplate. LOLAMS) Les