I always buy from them at shows, always make a point to check their stuff at the earliest possible time such as the evening before the show opens. They only bring so many plants and they do get picked over. No Sunday 4:30PM specials, what you see is what you get. I always unwrap the plants I intend to buy, once I discovered 2 smaller sized Maxillarias when I taught it was one big one. I took another one instead. The other thing to watch out for is that they will take plants to one show and without re-wrapping them bring the left overs to the next show 1 week later (so I'm told, I have no proof). By checking the roots etc, I always got great plants. I ordered by mail once and received smaller plants some of which did not make it. Still, a great place to get plants, highly recommend them. Nick

Thanks, Tracydr, I was going to ask about Kale. I wonder how it would do planted in fall? Have you tried Kale chips yet? I will have a narrow but very long raised bed area along the east side of my property that I'm thinking of doing a bit of a chicken wire-hoop thingy over (the bunnies appear to be quite prolific - I might have to raise some lettuce or something just for them - distractions, lol) for raising veggies. I did very little vegetable gardening last time I lived there, but I'm hoping to change that this time around. I've had it with grocery store "vegetables".

The 4' spacing is a must if you have any concerns about snow load.

Hoping someone here can help - A year and a half ago I started a project to try and raise citrus from seed to fruit in NY by giving them better than usual growing conditions in this area. To that end I installed a small 8x8 greenhouse with decent insulation and basic heating to grow them in. Although the greenhouse sits in a far north corner of the prop and therefor receives plenty of sunlight through out the day, I purchased an LED fixture to give them supplemental light as well - especially during the shorter winter days - hoping to try and speed up their maturity by providing better conditions. The LED was an expensive 1000w equivalent with modes for different light spectrums and timers - specifically I purchased this light - KindLED K51000. The problem was and still is that no matter how high i place the light above the plants and no matter how low i set them (Ive gone down to 10% of their capability) the lights seem to scorch the plants and actually appear to be stunting their growth . I have tried them on and off for the past year and a half, and although the trees are overall flourishing, it is mainly when I REMOVE the lighting that they do well. When the lights go on - as is during winter - they simply seem to scorch the leaves and prevent them from growing. Needless to say it has been frustrating as I want to be providing the trees with more red spectrum lights and overall would like them to acclimate so during the winter i can give them much longer daylight hours. The light company was at a loss to explain why this should be happening (in fact originally they attempted to sell me 4 fixtures that they said I would need to light my 8x8 space well!) and are insistent that it must be some other factors causing this. But I have been experimenting with them for a year and a half and it is absolutely clear that it is the lighting that hurts the plants. Ive received some advice from botanists I am friendly with but none had real experience with LED lighting - they seem to think that its TOO much light for the plants since the greenhouse is well lit without them. This might be plausible, but even during the winter - during periods when they were ONLY on during dark/nighttime hours - they still caused the burning. Also, the company as well as a marijuana grower I consulted who does have experience with the lights claim that theres no way the lights could be "too much" for the trees. The light hangs at most , about 3 feet from the tops of the plants and I place the taller ones off to the side so they only receive indirect light. Additionally, I have tried placing light diffusing cloth (double layered) over the lights to make them less extreme - and STILL had the burning. So for now, I have taken them down altogether in the hope that my plants are just too young for such intense lighting , but I really want to know whats going on especially as the light was such an expense and I'm currently getting no use from it. So, any ideas?