JD 30inch mechanical tiller VS. 42 inch hydraulic tiller ??
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Comments (120)Personally I think this is a really interesting discussion. I am an engineer at Honda R&D near Columbus, OH. At my location, there are over a thousand white collar workers, mostly technical. Within a hundred mile radius of me, there are a 4 Honda assembly plants, employing around 10,000 people. At other sites in the US and Canada, there are probably another 15,000 workers. Each of these plants is turning out thousands of new Hondas per day. Nearly every Honda/Acura sold in the US (by volume) is made in the US. The engines, transmissions, every major component. Furthermore, Honda actually *exports* cars from the US, something that the Big 3 can barely talk about. Sure, there are niche cars like the S2000 roadster that are 100% Japanese, but that is a tiny part of our market. I think these are pretty impressive numbers, especially if you consider that Honda is only something like the 7th largest market share in the US. Its been here since 1979, I'd wager that in those 27 years Honda has contributed significantly to Americans and their way of life. There are a lot of secure $25/hr plus full benefits jobs available in Ohio because of Honda. The US auto industry lost their way in the oil crises. They haven't been able to turn it around since then. They concentrate too much on short-sighted markets like giant fuel-guzzling SUVs. Its not that the Big 3 makes bad cars, its that they make cars that aren't in demand. Compare a Focus to a Civic. A Taurus to an Accord. Sure, those Fords might last 200k miles, but I'd much rather spend that time in a nice Accord than a hard plastic Taurus. I would rather support the thousands of American workers who build Hondas than support a few suits in Detroit and drive a Mexican Dodge. That said, my garage: 1980 Lawn Boy 7229 1996 Stihl trimmer 1997 Honda Accord (shocking, right?) 2002 Triumph Speed Triple (mc) 1976 Honda CB400F (mc) 1976 Suzuki GT550 2-stroke (mc) 1948 Johnson Sea Horse (outboard) 1949 Evinrude Zephyr (outboard)...See MoreJD X700 vs. Simplicity's Legacy XL
Comments (7)Well I own a 2003 X485 which is the same as a Current X720 with the exception My tractor cannot take the 7Iron decks. I bought my tractor New. I have a 45loader,42ich Hydraulic tiller,48inch deck,Rear PTO and Limited Cat1 3point hitch. It has done all I have needed it to do. Yes In the long Run it has probly cost me more than a JD2305. But I like its size and manuverability to the 2305. The Legacy has a joystick control for Hydraulic lift and angle Some models come standard with 3point and Rear PTO Where I had to buy mine as extras, The Legacy can Take a Backhoe. As of currently MY JD cannot. Yes the Legacy Does Strip your yard when mowing. I personally Like both Tractors. One thing I noticed though with some of the attachmnets for the Legacy Can run alot higher than JD. For instance the Kwick-way loader is alot higher in price than JD 45 loader. The only that scares me a little with Simplicity is With Briggs Running the show now will the quality Stay with the Simplicity Name. This year Briggs I belive is closing The Port Washington factory and moving operations elsewhere. I know last year weren't you looking at a X534 for AWS. Well this year they have a 4wd& Aws X729 which it rather exspensivce and of coarse there is the X724 Aws Both can Take tiller's without having to modifi the tractor only Deere attachmnets that both AWS models can't take are the 45loader and the mid mount blade. For the time being I would say Both Machines are Great. But only time will tell with Briggs Being the Parent of Simplicity. weather the quality will stay or Go. Good luck in your purchase....See MoreAnyone use/install a Bercomac Tiller?
Comments (6)Here's what Sergeant (moderator at that other forum) had to say about it: "Bercomac tiller: I tested one out, it was mounted on a JD LT180 at a Deere dealer. It's as good as a 30-inch Belt driven tiller on the Deere X500 series. If the area you plan on tilling has never been tilled before it will take at least two passes just like the Deere 30-inch PTO tiller will. Bercomac is you're only real option with Craftsman products unless you have a current Craftsman PRO GT which is based on the Cub Cadet GT1054. Then you can take a 30-inch Hydraulic driven tiller or with the top of the line Pro GT you can take a 36-inch PTO driven tiller because the tractor is based on the Simplicity Prestige. With the exception of hydraulic driven tillers most belt driven tillers take about two passes to get a grassed over yard to the right consistency for planting. The nice thing about a tractor mounted tiller over the tow behind tillers is you don't need alot of turning space and you don't have to worry about a 2nd engine either, and you don't have to worry about the tiller jumping. And with the Bercomac you can put a little down pressure on the tiller where you really can't with that 5-hp tow behind tiller. Up until 2005 they did make a 8-hp sleeve hitch mounted tiller for the Craftsman tractors. Now the Bercomac will not mount to you're sleeve hitch. Most tillers with some exception by most manufacturers have had their own frame or they mounted to the same place as the sleeve hitch. The only exception now are Cub Cadet & Ingersoll. In the past the other MTD brands when they still had Garden tractors under those other labels did mount to the electric lift sleeve hitch as well. But you will find the Bercomac is very easy to mount & unmount once the brackets are installed. For the most part it is a universal mount, meaning you can take the bracket off of the Craftsman and put them on a Deere, Cub Cadet,Husqvarna and many other brands, even some shaft driven tractors as long as those tractors run a mule drive off the front. In most cases the only thing you might have to buy is a different drive belt if you run the tiller on a different brand, and in some cases if the tractor has a manually engaged PTO you would have to buy a $14 or $15 kit to use the manual PTO. Hope this Helps"...See MoreHow is the John Deere 30' mechanical tiller?
Comments (10)I have a 30" mechanical tiller which I use with my 15hp GT225 and it works great. I bought both the tractor and tiller on eBay in separate auctions, the tractor in like new condition, the tiller in like it sat in the back yard for a decade after heavy use condition. I only paid $60 for the tiller so the fact that it operates at all means it was a great buy. New they cost $1500, but you should have no problem finding one in like new condition on eBay for under $400, should you go the second hand route. It's a bit heavy, but the flip-down transport wheels make it pretty easy to move around. I store mine standing up in my garage, and just have to roll it under the tractor to hook it up. It's a bit more difficult to install while on soft ground. All you have to do is slide it under the tractor so that the tiller catches on the pins attached to the rear of the tractor frame, then flip a brace up that holds the tiller angled upwards while you retract the transport wheels, then let it rock downward to seat the tiller frame against the lugs on the bottom of the tractor frame. Attach the belt, the attach the lift linkage, and you're ready to tear up some turf. The whole process, from deck installed to tiller installed takes me about 10-15 minutes. This tiller can be used on a very wide range of JD garden tractors made over the past 15-20 years. You just have to buy a specific linkage kit for your tractor. It cost something like $100 for my 225. All I did to the tiller was clean the rust off the housing with a 4" grinder, spray painted it, and greased it up. It's such a basic implement; if it works at all, it works like new. I've had absolutely no problem using the manual lift, which I keep on the 42" deck (lowest) tension seting. Of course, I'm 31 years old and my employer tests me on how many pullups I can do twice a year, so others may find it a bit combersome. I recently renovated 1/2 acre of my neighbor's property in a single afternoon, which included tilling it twice, grading it (with my 42" blade), seeding it and raking it in with a landscape rake (hardest part). It's amazing how much work you can do with a tractor-mounted tiller, and that's with my little 15hp Kohler. When using it to tear up my neighbor's yard, half of which was previously a failed attempt at a lawn, and half of which was recently cleared brush, I hit a lot of buried roots, so I kept it in the float setting with my hand at the ready on the lift handle. As soon as I felt it bounce off something I just pulled it up, then gently set it back down as I passed the obstacle (it tills as deep as 6" down). I don't think a hydraulic lift would allow the operator that kind of feel or reaction time. We have mostly sandy soil, so I can't say how it works in clay, but it certainly had no problem tearing up my well-established bermudagrass when I carved out some perennial gardens earlier this year. This is the first tractor-mounted tiller I've used, so I can't comment on how it compares to other brands, but compared to the walk-behind front-tine tiller I grew up with, you can do three times the amount of work in any given time, while wearing sandels and drinking an iced tea, instead of steel-tipped boots and a camelbak. -Chris Here is a link that might be useful: 30...See Morelarso1
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