Expanded Clay in Al's Soil Mix? (Instead of Perlite)
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
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Comments (6)In Hawaii years ago in our fruit tree nursery we used cinder rock (pumice) in about the size range you are talking about with incredible sucess. We never in 10 years of growing used perlite in our mixes. It was way to expensive for our use. We also didn't have acess to pine bark except bark nuggets shipped in from the west coast, again way to expensive. We used soil (not the best choice but it worked for 1 to 2 year grow out cycles when it was used at less than 20 percent. The pumice was about 60-70 percent with soil, peat moss, and composted manures making up the rest with peat moss and manures being the least of the 4 main components. The CEC was great as I recall and moisture and air ratios were also very conducive to containered tree growing. I would watch for possible high salt (can be leached out if need be). Sometimes the ph was somewhat high but with acid soils and water it wasn't much of a problem for us. It may or may not be for you. I would love to have access to bulk pumice in your size range by the truckload if I could get it, but all I can find is lava sand and it is just too small in my opinion for anything but small container growing. I am not sure what LECA is? So I can't help as to it being better than pumice or perlite. I have used perlite quite a bit here in Central Texas and we have temps much like you describe and over several years of use I have seen minimal degradation or breakdown. The only problem I have seen is in overmixing breaking it down but not much once in the pot. I still have some pots from several years ago that has lots of perlite in the mix and they will be great for raised beds (not pretty but still completely functional. Maybe different deposits around the world have different enough properties that we can't make a apples to apples comparison. I can only speak from my experience with mostly Mexico derived perlite. Hope this is of some use for your situation. Good Luck and Happy Growing David...See MoreAl's Soil Mixes and Fetilization Quesitons
Comments (13)I use either medium or coarse perlite with no apparent difference in results. The 'balls' of gypsum are actually 'prills'. They make a slurry of gypsum powder & a binder, then shoot it from a prilling tower. It forms tiny spheres called prills as it falls. The little balls will quickly dissolve. If you're mixing the 24-8-16 @ 1/2 strength, you only use 1/8 tsp per gallon of fertilizer solution of Epsom salts and STEM each time you fertilize. I'm not sure where you came up with the 3 & 5 Tbsps. If added to a gallon of water along with the fertilizer, that would assuredly kill the plants. You need to be very cautious about micronutrients because the range between deficiency and toxicity levels is much narrower than it is for the macros and secondary macros. You're better off to not use STEM and rely on the MG and soil to supply everything than you are to overuse the STEM. Al...See MoreAl's Mix...perlite vs. vermiculite + more newbie ?s
Comments (4)I have a bag of vermiculite that is about 10 years old & still rather full. I don't use it much, but if you want to, ... Perlite is cheap, at $15/ 4 cu ft or so. The false floor is the same as growing in a smaller container. If the roots grow into the air space below, they will either "self prune" or they will live, if the moisture content of the air is high enough. Either way, it doesn't present much problem in the way of any physiological damage to the plant. If the soil remains wet for extended periods (I consider more than 2 days too long) a wick would be helpful in removing extra water until the planting matures & roots colonize the container. After that, you can remove the wick. Al...See MoreBark-Based Mix & Ammonia? -- Attn: Al, Josh, et al.
Comments (19)Zen, I didn't even know this was coir, haha. I was looking for ProMix and he said this was better and bam -- Id heard of it so I bought it. But honestly, I'm not against coconut coir; one of my favorite soils is by Gardner and Bloome, based wholly on coir. Some of my older pots are 5-1-1 based on that soil and I don't have any issues. Really it's such a small part of 5-1-1, I could probably use cotton balls and it'd work. But yes, generally, I like peat in 5-1-1 indoors because it seems to dry quicker than coir. Outdoors, it buys me an extra day when necessary, it seems. I've run out anyway and now have more Promix HP again. All is well again. Drew, I see what you're saying. Perhaps it does work with compost, but containers in and of themselves are kind of unnatural, too, no? Organic, in terms of not using harmful pesticides, is important to me, but if my sansevieria or columbine happen to grow in non-soil medium and are fed nutrients via my hand, I'm okay with that, too. I have mycorrhizae in the soil with Promix, and as you can see, I throw lots of stuff in the soil, haha. Josh, I must have missed this 55* stuff. Total oversight. I'm in Stockton and I doubt we went below 55 though I did wake up to 58 one day last week. This weekend, it's back in the 90s. I guess as a rule I will leave the organic stuff out. I really don't fertilize a lot, and just wanted to boost the soil a bit. DFish, I guess it's possible that pot just isn't draining well. I think I'll drill more holes in it before I attempt the pot again with new soil. Thank you!...See Moregardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
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