Striped roses in hot, humid climates

13 years ago

I'd like to grow some striped roses, but most antique varieties I see are bourbons or hybrid perpetuals. Or once-bloomers, and my yard is small, so I like remontant varieties. I'm in north central Florida and our climate is better suited to other rose varieties, in general, although I have a bourbon that's doing well at the moment.

Does anyone have any experience with Variegata di Bologna, Commandant Beaurepaire, or Honorine du Brabant in the Deep South? Do they rebloom well? Do you know of any other striped antique roses that are available for purchase?

I have a lot of luck with tea roses, so would love to try Madame Driout, but I can't find a source that isn't sold out. I also do well with polyanthas, chinas, and hybrid musks, but I'm open to suggestions. Thanks!

Mary Anna

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teka2rjleffel
13 years ago
I don't but I'm interested in reading your responses. I saw 'Rainbow' on the Antique Rose Gallery (title, Spring in Missippi, page 2)and want it.
oldblush
13 years ago
Rainbow, the tea rose along with Careless Love a older Hybrid Tea both do very well in z8 MS. Careless Love, one of the Radiance clan, has exceptional fragrance.
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jerijen
13 years ago
Mary Anna -- We grew Variagata di Bologna years ago, and in my no-winter-chill climate, it never bloomed. (Grew HUGE!) I have heard it described as a once-bloomer anyhow, so I think if you have enough winter chill to grow Gallicas and Damasks, you may succeed with VdB.

'Careless Love,' the striped sport of 'Mrs. Charles Bell,' of the Radiance clan, is the only weak-grower in that family. Gregg Lowery has posited that its stripes may be a virus.

The Tea Rose, 'Rainbow' is incredibly beautiful IF you get a vigorous one, but not all are. It was mildewy here, but I'd try it again.

The REALLY Terrific remontant striper, though, is 'Ferdinand Pichard,' a late HP. It's got it all, and is behind all of Ralph Moore's striped roses, and all of Tom Carruth's striped roses.

Jeri
mary_anna
Original Author
13 years ago
Thanks, everybody! I just found a source for Ferdinand Pichard. No luck on the others yet, but I'll keep looking. Now I've gotta find some space to put them all in...
texaslynn
13 years ago
I have VdB and it doesn't rebloom here (hot and humid). It just finished blooming, as a matter of fact, and while I love the blooms, the bloom period doesn't last very long at all (here).

Lynn
oldblush
13 years ago
Careless Love isn't a weak grower in Ms. Much stronger than Mrs. Chas Bell and equally as strong as Red Radiance and Radiance in my garden.
BTW, Careless Love often has blooms that are solid pink and some even half and half. Maybe it isn't a very stable sport but is certainly not weak.
jerijen
13 years ago
It's NOT a stable sport. But really lovely!

Jeri
imagardener2
13 years ago
Mary Anna

Thanks for this thread. I am also a lover of striped roses but thought I couldn't have one in sub-tropical Florida and with a small yard too can't afford the space for a once bloomer.

Ferdinand P. looks lovely. ARE intimates it might be a bourbon and bourbons do very well in my climate so Yay!

Denise
sherryocala
13 years ago
Mary Anna & Denise, unfortunately, looking on HMF, I only see one garden in the deep south (Columbia, SC) growing Ferdinand Pichard and no sellers not even RU. Somehow I don't think it's a good candidate for our gardens.

Sherry
myloki
13 years ago
My Variegata de B. has not rebloomed either. I have Moore's Striped Rugosa. It has a handsome flower, scented, and I believe it repeats. And being a Rugosa, it is clean as a whistle without being sprayed.
Scentimental is a very nice Floribunda. It smells great (as the name suggests), repeats, and is reasonably clean in my no spray garden.
imagardener2
13 years ago
Sherry
There is no cure for striped rose mania :-)
I ordered Ferdinand P. from ARE (with a couple others so he wouldn't be lonely on his journey to Florida).

Denise
saldut
13 years ago
I have 'Scentimental' on Fort. and love it, it is very fragrant and everybody who sees it loves it also... sally
jerijen
13 years ago
'Scentimental,' fwiw, is descended from 'Ferdinand Pichard.'
That's where it gets that interesting quilted foliage.
:-)

Jeri
mary_anna
Original Author
13 years ago
I think Ferdinand Pichard may soon be coming to live with me. :) I'm not buying anything for the next couple of weeks, though. I have some friends who are landscape architects and they know some people who grow antique roses, I think for the wholesale trade. They say they'll take me out to these people's house where I can tour their personal garden and buy some roses. So I need to wait and see what I can get there.

Sherry, these people live very near Ocala. (And judging by your screen name, I guess you do, too.) :-) If it turns out that they're actually set up for retail and you can shop there without having landscape architects there to give the secret handshake, I'll let you know. I'm guessing they probably grew a good portion of roses in my garden that I bought a local nurseries, and maybe yours, too.

Everybody cross your fingers that they have Ferndinand Pichard...or Rainbow...or Careless Love...
_sophiewheeler
13 years ago
Ferdinand Pichard had a half decent fall rebloom for me, but it couldn't make the cut disease wise. Too little foliage without spray, and I don't spray. Bye bye. Scentimental was a failure because of disease here too. I had a weak Careless Love (probably virused now that I consider the source) and although I liked it, it was too puny to replace after it grew into the ground. It's on the list to grow again someday when I get around to ordering roses again, but it's not one of those must haves right now.
mary_anna
Original Author
13 years ago
Wow, that doesn't sound good,and I think I'm a good bit south of you, so my climate might be even harder on those roses. I have a landscaper friend who's having good luck with Fourth of July, which isn't an antique but I might give it a whirl. The spot I originally had in mind really requires something that'll be a showpiece all year. I have some other spots where I might try Ferdinand Pichard or Careless Love. Or Madame Driout, if I can find a source.

First, I think I should remove the weeds from around the plants I have, but soon...soon...

Mary Anna
http://www.maryannaevans.com

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