I think all of us rustlers have rescued a Dr. Huey or two. My best one was just down the road from me last year. There was a house doomed to become a strip center, with a tall rose growing at one of its front corners. It was mid-spring, too early to take cuttings, so I watched the rose weekly ... to get the cuttings as soon I thought they'd be viable. During one of my visits, I was interrupted by the foreman and the engineer for the project. When I told them what I was doing, they told me to take whatever I wanted, to hurry up and not hurt myself, and not to come back. I cut that rose to the ground, and tossed the whole thing into my truck, processed it into cuttings, and put them in the greenhouse. Since the wood was WAY too green, most of the cuttings quickly perished. Two of them rooted, however, and I anxiously awaited their first flowers .... wine-red with bright yellow stamens. Rats! maryann, I get a huge ache inside when I see the destruction of plants and structures that comes with modern suburban development. It breaks my heart. What did the rambler you found look like? Around here, Dorothy Perkins is on the roadsides and up in the trees. That's where mine came from. I also know of a red rambler, that's not endangered yet, that I plan to rustle soon. I have a feeling that it's Excelsa (or something like that) since it blooms late just like DP does. I'm glad all of you have used this method of rooting and that it's worked well. It was taught to me by a rose friend, and I am thankful to her every day. Without this, my nursery would still be an unattainable dream, and I would be without most of the garden friends that I have met over the past few years. Besides, there's just something mysterious and magical about being able to take a piece of a rose and make a whole new rose out of it. Connie

I hope the pine bark works on the news ones I just planted but if I decide to stay in this house, next year, I will plant roses with the Fortuniana roots. I may even do that this year, I can take these back but some are blooming, I don't want to dig up the roses now. I do know I will not bother with any roses other than Fortuniana root ones from here though. In the meantime, I am going to mix up the fertilizer you suggested and hope it helps the other roses from last year bloom! Thank you again!! Lisa

Silica, "They are the very same tree. ".... Well, they are and they aren't. 150 years ago they were the same, only a different name. The Washington navel is called that because it arrived in Washington DC and was put on wagon trains going West. Today the Washington navel and the Bahia navel are sooooo different than they were then, as to almost be different varieties. If I give you my opinion, it is only my opinion; but unlike the gods at UCR, I have actually been to Bahia; and in 1980 to the Cara Cara plantation in Venezuela (when i was International Agribusiness Specialist for Bank of America). It was the guys at Cara Cara who first told me about the new Red Navel they had discovered; and THEY thought it was an accidental cross. Some cultivars were later brought to Florida, where (like Cara Cara folks) it was called Red Navel. I believe the UCR cultivars came from Florida. BTW the geniuses at UCR would tell you that the Meyer lemon is a thornless variety; but I have 35,000 trees, and to my knowledge not one of them is thornless. Maybe just one more example... the Ataulfo mango of Southern Mexico was originally (300 years ago) the Carabao mango of the Philippines (brought by the Spanish); but no longer is; it is close, but NOT the same. They often try to market it as the Carabao/Manila/Philippine mango; but they are always sued; and they always lose. If you had a chance to see my latest Meyer lemon trees, you would see immediately that they are unlike anything you might source in the US, in terms of tree phenology, fruit size, fruit type, etc. We now produce NO Meyers with necks, none with thick rough skin, etc. All of our trees produce the smooth skin, semi-oval fruits of size 3 per pound that the premium markets demand. I think that is my last word on this subject; and I could give a rat fart about what Wikipedia says.

Virginia, I don't have 'Rose Edouard' in any of its forms right now, but I have "followed" it for a bit. Alas, no room at the moment. Anyway, I did notice these pics....... http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.250885 http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.138228 http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.127725 http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.110162 I see bristly receptacles, varying in intensity. Even in the OP's pics this feature varies. I'm still sticking with a form going around as 'Rose Edouard', especially since it's so common on the Indian subcontinent -- and, in all likelihood, this is where it originated, rather than the story on Mauritius. :-) ~Christopher