Good morning Gene,
I grow Noisettes and Tea-Noisettes. Specifically the following:Fellemberg, Crepscule, Gloire de dijon, Lamarque, MMe Alfred Carrier.
All of them are own-root and purchased as bands from Rogue Valley Nursery in Oregon.
Janet Inada is the proprietor and Heidi is her knoeledgeable assistant. They will help you with selection so that you are successful. The above list was recommended by them and purchased over a three year period. All of them were originally transplanted to a one gallon pot and babied.
Rogue's weather paterns are similar to ours so her mother bushes are strong. Her bands are strong for our climates. I had previously purchased from a California OGR vendor with dismal success. One of them 4 years old is slowly dwindling. Do not missunderstand, I'm not dissing the California nursery; but if you want to zone push, you better start with climate adapted bands.
Rosebush placement..as much sun as possible, wind protection and southern exposure. I had to move 2 alba's and a few gallica's to free up premium space. My crepscule was originally placed in a western exposure. Moved to southern...happy camper. I met a gentleman(he gardens in Tacoma I believe) at the Heritage rose meeting perhaps 4-5 years ago, who with Paul Zimmerman espoused the importance of placement.
I also surround in mid-november all tender roses with fresh manure. Keep the stuff from touching the bush. Last years bands get a repeat treatment early to mid-April to protect against spring freeze/thaw troubles. Many years ago I met a woman on a ferry Pt. Townsend to BC. She recommended this method as we experience hard frosts in mid-fall. Fall 2010..4-6 degrees for 4-5 days...
As I'm sure you've noticed this winter has been quite mild and relatively dry. The bushes still have last years leaves and of course new growth. The prior 2 winters were atypical as we werc experiencing ElNino.
Hope that helps. By the way same system for teas and chinas. Sure want you to be successful they are gorgeous bushes. Expect some mildew the first year or 2 until they settle in.

Jeannie
ps.. if you need horse poops...come on down..we even feed the horses organic and alfalfa to boot.

Hope the above wasnt too pushey..just want to help.
Also Greenmantle Nursery is terrific for zone pushing roses. Very knowledgeable owner.
You place an order with her and send $5 wait 1 year and get a rose bush that will truly grow like mad. They grow great old apple trees too.
Take care and happy gardening.
Jeannie

oh, pooh, Jeannie, I just appreciate your long and thoughtful response. What shows through is your passion for growing roses well.

I should have been more specific in my question, which is whether people have observed with their noisettes, if they grow them up here, that it's the lack of heat that is a problem with them or whether it's a hardiness issue. I am zone 8b up here.

I grow two noisettes, 'Cato's Cluster' and 'Redoute's Red Noisette' - the shrubs themselves are getting large and seem to be healthy, about 3 years old. No blackspot at all, but few blooms. I also have Madame Alfred Carriere; same thing, not much bloom but appears to be healthy.

My biggest question about noisettes is whether they are like teas, in that they require heat to do well, or is it that they are happy in mild temperatures, they just don't like cold.

I think those are two different questions. It has seemed to me that the teas require heat in order to grow well;. I grow four teas. They are all in as much sun as I can give them, but it is very slow with all of them.

The noisette shrubs seem to grow well in the mild temps. The delayed bloom on all of them may just be an age thing here, I am not sure.

Redoute's Red is in a spot at the edge of the cleared forest; it looks like a species rose so I am hoping over time it will bloom well there in the partial shade. I finally moved Cato's Cluster to a very sunny spot which we finally got cleared out; it's been moved several times, poor thing.

If noisettes just need protection from cold, then I think they will be fine here. I just ordered two more oddball noisettes, so I'm thinking about them and it seems to me to come down to this question. If it's they need heat, it's going to be slow going, just as my teas, which are in as much sun as I can give them, grow slowly. My impression is that it's they need cold protection rather than heat, but I'm not sure yet.

I also think you gave some great advice about care. I actually either do or at least know to do what you suggest, but it's always good to hear care tips again and to hear what others do. I'm trying llama poops this year because of the lack of weed seeds, or so I read, anyway. We'll see next spring what pops up.

Thanks for the response; I always appreciate help. Gean

Hmmm, have always been disaster zones for me (and my next door neighbour who hovers over a puny Gloire de Dijon........but, Jon, who lives in a different, possibly kinder climate than East Anglia, swears he could not be without them (and posted pics to prove it). For sure, they are needier than most other climbers I have had.

Redoubt's red will be one of my free roses from Rogue this year. I'm planning to place behind Souv de St Anne. What do you think. Basically they need sun. Some winter protection.
Of all the noisettes the one that bloomsthe most for sure is Crepsule. Bloom machine.It's placed in an 18" concrete block raised bed with a stockade fence behind it. Western exposure. Part of it drapes down the wall and part climbs...more like rests on the fence.
Buy it Gene..it doesnt get any better.
Jeannie

I've always admired tea noisettes like the ones you've both mentioned, but never had a hankering to grow them. It's the exuberant small bloomed shrub-like noisettes that I like. More wild, I think, is why I like them.

I'm really curious if anyone up here grows those shrub noisettes. I can't figure out why not, actually, as so far they seem to be really good, because I don't think the mildness bothers them. I'm not sure about the hardiness yet.

Jeannie, here is 'Redoute's Red' - I grow it at the edge of the woods here. It still has most of its leaves - it just hasn't bloomed much, yet, but it may be in too much shade. It is extremely healthy and I do like mine. 'Cato's Cluster' has that same kind of wild look. I've only seen one bloom, though. It got moved from too much shade into a sunny spot where I expected a lot of bloom last summer. After no blooms I dug it up to find the ground was contaminated by a line of old tires that had been buried. Poor thing, so we cleared out more ferns and it finally is happy I hope. I would love to see this thing covered in blooms this year.

The two others I've ordered, 'Lingo Musk' and 'St. Leonard's' have the same look, I think, and all will do well in a woody setting. I hope.

I am not sure how it would play with your 'Souvenir de St. Anne' I only grow 'Madame Cornelissen' of that clan and it is not happy, even placed in as much sun as I have. I'm thinking of replacing it after this year if it continues to have problems. This is not a bourbon kind of place, I don't think.

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Jik you missed it, if you're interested in noisettes with this look, they are available from Vintage right now. They are wonderful roses for anyone that might love these exuberant small bloomed, shrub type noisettes.