'Louise Ave White Hybrid Tea'

15 years ago

Technically, this is a modern rose, and should be on the other Forum.

But it is also a really good example of a fine "Found" rose, well-adapted to the area where it's been growing.

There are two -- possibly three -- very tall plants, in a row, next to an old driveway, in the San Fernando Valley (Southern California).

The old house was built in 1920, by the people who planted the first walnut orchard in the Valley. The wife lived there until her death, just a few years ago.

The old house is in sad shape, and I really expect it to be bulldozed any day now.

(The collapse of the Real Estate Market may save it for a while.)

I suspect there may have been a nice garden there, once. Now it's all gone except for "Louise Ave. White HT."

In my more humid, cooler, coastal garden, LAWHT is growing beautifully.

Here, as in the Valley, it neither mildews nor rusts. And it blooms almost year 'round. Blooms are enormous, and fragrant.

Jeri

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artemis_pa
15 years ago
What a beautiful rose. I think we should find out how it would do with winter protection in zone 5....like in my garden!!!
mashamcl
15 years ago
Thank you for posting, Jeri. What a beautiful rose. Too bad it is not in commerce :-(
Masha
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oooh, thats a really nice one (fragrant Memory) and I've never even heard of it until now. Heres my list (in order of most prolific) Dick Clark (i've never had a rose bloom as much and repeat as quickly, its practically always in bloom) Easy Does IT (this one too, its not as big a bush but it always has blooms) Moonstone Ingrid Bergman Pope John Paul II And not grandi or HT, but: Belinda's Dream (shrub) Dames De Chennoneceau (shrub) Abraham Darby (shrub) Sun Flare (floribuda) Europeana (Foribunda) Im shocked to see Queen of Sweden on this list, I love the rose, but mine is a very stingy bloomer. I just grafted her on to fortuniana however and I hope she does better on Fort. Seeing her on this list gives me hope though. :)
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ARS HT / Grandiflora 2010 Rose Show Results By Ronald Schwerdt December 2010 Affirm, ---, mp, 1998, 7.5 (8.0), ------, Q-1, K-2, P-1, C-5 American Honor---, mp, 1993, 7.0 (7.2), ----------------,Q-1 Andrea Stelzer----lp, 1992, 7.5 (7.8), ----------, P-2, C-2 Anne Morrow Lindbergh, -------pb, 1993, 7, P-1 Aperitif,---my, 1998, 7.5 (7.2), ---------------------, K-1 Artic Circle,---, w, 2008, -----------------------, Q-1, P-5 Asso Di Cuori ,---, dr, 1998, 8.0, --------------------, C-3 Awareness ,---, dp, 1997, 7.4 (7.2, ), ----------------, C-1 Barbara Bush, ---, pb, 1990, 7.5 (7.2), ---------------, P-1 Belle Rouge, ---, dr, 1999, 7.5 (6.9), ----------------, C-1 Bewitched, ---, mp, 1967, 7.7, --------------------------, C-1 Big Red, ---, mr, 2007, 7.8 (8.0), ------------, Q-1, K-1 ,C-2 Big Time, ---, dp, 2001, 7.6 (7.9), -----------------------, C-2 Black Magic, ---, dr, 1997, 7.7 (7.7), - Q-8, K-2, P-4, C-21 Blake Hedrick, ---, mr, 2004, 7.4 (7.4), ----, Q-1, P-2, C-2 Bles Bridges, ---, dr, 1996, 7.2 (7.3), -------------------, C-1 Brandenburg Gate, mp, 1991, 7.4 (.8) ----------, Q-2, C-1 Brandy, ---, ab, 1981, 7.4 ((7.1), -------------------------, K-1 Bride's Dream, ---, lp, 1985, 8.1, ------------, K-1, P-2, C, 2 Brigadoon, ---, pb, 1991, 7.8 (6.9), ----,Q-2, K-2, P-2, C-2 Brooks Red, ---, mr, 2000, 7.5 (7.9), --------, K-1, P-1, C-4 Cajun Moon, ---, w, 2001, 7.9 (8.2)--,Q-6, K-5, P-2-, C-11 Cajun Signature, --, w, 2004, 7.5 (7.8), --------, Q-1, C-1 Cajun Sunrise, ---pb, 2001, 7.7 (8.0), -Q-2, K-2, P-2, C-11 Camara, ---, or, 1978, 7.8 (0.0), -------------------------, Q-1 Captain Harry Stebbins,---, dp, 1980, 7.8, -----------, K-1 Catherine Marie, ---, mp, 1991, 7.5 (7.4), ------------, C-2 Cesar E. Chavez, ---, dr, 2002, 7.4 (7.4), ---------------, C-3 Cherry Parfait, ---, rb, 2001, 7.8 (7.4),------------, P-1, C-1 Chicago Peace,---, pb, 1962, 7.7 ------------------, Q-1, C-2 Christian Dior, ---, mp, 1961, 7.2,-----------------------, K-1 Classic Touch,---, lp, 1991, 7.5 (7.9),--------------------, P-1 Clich�, ---, pb, 2001, 6.8 (7.0), ---------------------------, C-1 Color Magic, ---, pb, 1978, 7.9 (7.0), -------------------, C-2 Coral Fiesta, ---, or, 1983, 7.5, ---------------------, K-1, C-1 Crowd Pleaser, ---, dp, 2000, 7.5 (7.6), ----, Q-1, K-3, C-1 Crystalline, ---, w, 1987, 8.0 (8.1), ----, Q-2, K-1, P-4, C-5 Dawing Moment,---, ab, 2007, --------------------------, C-1 Deidre Hall, ---, yb, 2006, 7.4 (7.6), --, Q-1, -K-1, P-2, C-1 Desperado, ---, rb, 2007, 7.6 (7.9), ---------, K-4, P-1 , C-6 Diana, Princess Of Wales,--,pb, 1998, 7.5 (7.5), P-1, C-2 Dick Clark, ---, rb, 2010, ------------------------------------, C-1 Distant Sounds, ---, pb, 1996, (7.3 (7.4), --------------, C-2 Dolly Parton, ---, or, 1984, 7.5 (7.8), --------------------, C-1 Double Delight, ---, rb, 1977, 8.4 (8.0), ----------, Q-3, P-1 Dublin, ---, mr, 1982, 8.2 (8.0), ---------------------, P-6, C-1 Elegant Beauty, ---, lp, 1982, 8.0 (8.2) -----------------, C-2 Elina, ---, ly, 1984, 8.6 (8.0), ------------------------, Q-2, P-2 Elizabeth Taylor, ---, dp, 1985, 8.4 (8.1), --------, Q-1, C-5 Elle, ---, pb, 2003, 7.7 (7.4), ------------------------, P-1, C-1 European Touch,--- , ab, 1997, --------------------------, Q-1 Exotica, ---, ob, 1999, 7.4, (7.2), -------------------------, C-1 Fairest One, ---, rb, 2010, ---------------------------------, C-1 Falling in Love, ---, pb, 2006, 7.7 (7.8), -----------, P-4, C-3 Fame, ---, dp, 1998, 8.1 (7.5), ---------------------, Q-1, C-2 Fantasy, ---, w, 1992, 7.4 (7.3), --------------------------, C-1 Firefighter, ----, dr, 2004, 7.5 (7.2), ---------------------, C-1 First Fed Renaissance, ---, mp, 1980, 7.6, -------------, P-1 Folklore, ---, ob, 1977, 8.2 (8.0),- ------, Q-1, K-2, P-3, C-5 French Perfume, ---, yb, 1993, 7.4 (7.0), --------------, C-1 Garden Party, ---, w, 1959, 7.9, -------------- -----------, C-1 Gemini, ---, pb, 2000, 8.2 (8.4), ----- Q-19, K-9, P-9, C-22 Gold Metal, ---, my, 1982, 8.4 (8.0),---------, K-2, P-2, C-6 Harry Wheatcroft, ---, yb, 1972, 6.5 (5.5), ------, K-1, P-1 Helen Naude, --- , w, 1996, 7.7 7.9), --------, K-1, P-2, C-2 Helmut Schmidt, ---, my, 1979, 7.3, --------------, K-1, C-5 Here's Gert, ---, mp, 2004, 7.6 (7.7),--------------, K-2, C-1 Hollywood Star --- , ab, 2001, 7.3 (7.5), ---------------, C-2 Hot Princess, ---,2000, 7.9 (8.3), ---Q-20, K-12, P-2, C-12 Impulse, ---, ob, 2006, -------------------------------------- Q-1 Ingrid Bergman, --- , dr, 7.8 (6.4), -----, Q-1, K-1, P-1, C-1 Jen, ---, yb, 2001, 7.3 (7.5) -------------------------------, Q-1 Jema, ---, ab, 1981, 7.9 (7.7), -----------------------, K-1, C-1 Joyfulness, ---, ab, 1984, 8.1 (7.9), ----------------------, C-1 Kardinal, ---, mr, 1986, 8.5 (7.6), ------------, Q-2, P-1, C-4 Keepsake, ---, pb, 1981, 8.0 (8.3), ----------------------, P-3 Key Largo, ---, op, 2001, 7.6 (7.4), ----------------, Q-3, K-1 King Kong, ---, ab, 2007, ----------------------------, Q-1, C-1 King Of Hearts, ---, mr, 1968, 7.7, -----------------------,Q-1 Kordes' Perfecta, ---, pb, 1958, 6.9,---------------------, C-1 Le Ann Rimes, ---, pb, 1999, 7.3 (7.5), ------------------, P-1 Leonidas, ---, rb, 1995, 6.8 (6.8), ------------------------, C-1 Let Freedom Ring--, 2005, 7.9 (8.1), Q-8, K-6, P-10, C-10 Liebeszauber, ---, mr, 1990, 8.0 (7.6), ------------------, K-3 Looking Good, ---, pb, 2004,------------------------, K-1, C-1 Louise Estes, ---, pb, 1991, 8.3 (8.4), ,Q-4, K-6, P-1, C-19 Love & Peace, ---, yb, 2001, 7.8 (7.3), ------, Q-1, K-1, P-2 Lovers Lane, ---, mr, 2002, 7.4 (7.3), -------------------, C-1 Lynette, ---, w, 1985, 7.5 (8.1),---------------------, Q-1, C-1 Lynn Anderson, ---, 1993, 7.5 (7.7),--- Q-3, K-3, K-2, C-3 Madame Violet, ---, m, 1981, 7.0,-----------------------, C-1 Marijke Koopman, ---, mp, 1980, ------------------, P-1, C-1 Marilyn Monroe, --, 2002, 7.9 (8.1), - Q-7, K-2, P-8, C-12 Marilyn Wellan, ---mr, 2005, 7.7 (7.9), Q-1, K-1, p-4, C-8 Marlon's Day, --, w, 2005, 7.7 (7.8)--,Q-4, K-1, P-3, C-10 Mavrik,---, pb, 2000, 7.6 (8.0), ---------, Q-2, K-6, P-2, C-6 Medallion, ---, ab, 1973, 7.1,-----------------------------, C-2 Memorial Day, ---, mp, 2004, 7.5 (6.7), ---------------, Q-1 Michelangelo, ---, my, 1997, 7.6 (7.1),----------------, P-1 Milestone, ---, rb, 1983, 8.0 (7.3),-----------------------, K-1 Miss All-American Beauty, ---, dp, 1965, 7.7,---------, C-1 Miss Elvis, ---, ob, 2000, 7.5 (7.4), -----------------, K-1, C-1 Miss Kitty, ---, w, 2007, ------------------------------------, Q-1 Mister Lincoln, ---, dp, 8.2 (7.6),-------------------, P-1, C-2 Moonstone, ---, 1998, 8.2 (8.4), -,Q-13, K-18, P-10, C-23 Mu Lan, ---, pb, 2004, 7.4 (7.6), -------------------, Q-1, C-3 My Lady Barbara, ---, pb, 2010,--------------------------, C-1 Natasha Monet, ---, m, 1993, 7.6 (8.1), ---, Q-2, K-1, P-1 Neptune, ---, m, 2003, 7.4 7.4), -------------, Q-2, K-1, P-1 O�Rilla, ---, r, 1996, 7.4, ------------------------------------, C-2 Oklahoma, ---, dr, 1964, 6.9, ---------------------------, P-1 Olympiad,---, mr, 1983, 8.6 (8.0),-----------, Q-2, K-4, C-2 Opening Night, --, dr, 1998, 7.8 (7.4), -Q-2, K-1, P-1, C-3 Orlando, ---, mp, 1995, 7.4 (7.7), ------------------------, P-1 Osiana, ---, ab, 1988, 7.6 (7.5),---------------------------, C-1 Paradise, ---, m , 1979, 7.6 (8.0), ------------------------, C-1 Park Place,---, m, 2004, 7.3 (6.8),------------------------, P-1 Pat's Choice, ---, or, 1996, ------------------------------, C-1 Peace, ---, yb, 1945, 8.1, ---------------------------------, C-2 Pearl, ---, w, 1999, 7.5 (7.5), -----------------------------, P-1 Pearl Essence, ---, lp, 2010, 7.5 (7.6),-------------------, K-2 Perfect Moment, ---, rb, 1989, 7.8 (7.1),---, K-1, P-2, C-1 Perfectly Red, ---, dr, 1999, 7.6 (7.6)--------, K-1, P-2, C-3 Peter Frankerfeld, ---, dp, 1966, 8.0,-------------------, C-1 Pink Intuition, ---, pb, 2006, 7. 2 (7.3), -----------------, P-1 Pink Promise, ---, pb, 2008, ------------------------------, K-3 Polarstern, ---,w, 1982, 7.7 (7.6), -----------------------, C-3 Pop Warner, ---, pb, 2000, 7.6 (7.8),---Q-2, K-3, P-1, C-9 Pristine, ---, w, 1977, 8.6 (8.5), --------------------, Q-1, K-1 Queen of Hearts, ---, rb, 2005, --------------------------, Q-1 Raphaela, ---, ob, 1994, 7.3 (8.0), -----, Q-1, K-1, P-1, C-3 Red Intuition, ---, rb, 2004, 7.7 (7.7), -------, K-2, P-1, C-4 Red Queen, ---, mr, 1968, 7.1, ---------------------------, Q-1 Rephidy, ---, pb, 7.5 (7.2), ---------------------------------, C-1 Rina Hugo, ---, dp, 1993, 7.8 (7.8), ---------------, Q-1, C-1 Rio Sambo, ---, yb, 1991, 7.4 (6.7), ---------------------, P-1 Ronald Reagan, ---, rb, 2003, 7.3 (7.4), ----------------, K-2 Rosie O�Donnell, ---, rb, 1999, 7.6 7.6), ----------, K-1, C-3 Secret, ---, pb, 1992, 7.9 (7.7), ---------------------------, C-1 Sensation, ---, ob, 1992, 7.5 (7.5), ----------------------, Q-2 Sheer Bliss, ---, w, 1985, 7.8 (7.7), ----------------------, P-1 Sheer Elegance, ---, op, 1989, 7.8 (7.8), ---------, K-1, C-1 Signature, ---, dp, 1998, 7.6 (8.2), ---, Q-3, K-2, P-4, C-11 Silver Jubilee, ---, pb, 1978, 8.6 (6.5), ------------------, C-2 Silverado, ---, m, 1987, 7.5 (7.9), ------------------------, P-1 Southern Breeze, --- , m, 2004, -------------------, Q-1, C-1 Soutine, ---, rb, 2000, -------------------------------, Q-2, K-1 St Patrick, ---, yb, 1999, 8.0 (8.), -----------, Q-4, P-5, C-14 Stainless Steel, ---, m, 1991, 7.5 (7.), -------, K-2, P-1, C-2 Standing Ovation, ---, rb, 1998, 7.0 (7.3), -------------, P-1 Steppin' Out, ---, mp, 1995, 7.6 (7.5), -----------, Q-1, C-2 Strike it Rich, ---, yb, 2007, 7.7 (7.2), -------------------, P-1 Suffolk, ---, w, 1984, 8.2 (8.0), ---------------, Q-1, P-4, C-1 Summer Dream, ---, ab, 1986, 7.5 (7.4), ---------------, C-1 Sunset Celebration, ---, ab, 1998, 7.8 (7.3), -----------,C-1 Sunstruck, ---, ab, 2004, 7.6 (7.7), ----------------- ,P-3, C-7 Table Mountain, ---, pb, 1990, 7.3 (7.2), --------, P-1, C-3 Taboo, ---, dr, 1993, 7.3 (6.6), --------------------------, P-1 Tahitian Sunset, ---, ab, 2006, 7.7 (7.4), ---------------, C-1 Tempie Lee, ---, pb, 1998, 7.3 (7.2), --------------------, C-1 Timeless, ---, dp, 1998, 7.3 (7.6), ------------------, P-2, C-1 Tineke, ---, w, 1989, 7.9 (7.6), ----------, Q-1, K-1, P-2, C-2 Tinseltown, ---, pb, 1996, 6.8 (6.9) , --------------------, Q-1 Touch Of Class, ---, 1985, 8.7 (8.6), ---,Q-1, K-4, P-3, C-9 Tournament Of Roses, ---, mp, 1988, 8.2 (7.4), ------, C-1 Tropicana, ---, or, 1960, 7.6, -----------------------------, C-1 Truly Yours, ---, lp, 2006, 7.4 (7.4), ----------------------, C-1 Uncle Joe, ---, dr, 1972, 7.9, ------------, Q-2, K-3, 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michaelg
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I suppose Kaiserin Auguste Viktoria has been suggested?
jerijen
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15 years ago
The two most common suggestions are either 'Snowbird' (Hatton, 1936, U.S.)
Or
'White Ensign (HT, McGredy,1925, Ireland) a seedling of 'Niphetos.

Both were very popular in the area for a long time.

The only difficulties with the Snowbird identification, for me, are:
It appears that S. can mildew. L.A. Ave never mildews,
and
Louise Ave blooms seem to be ginormous, in comparison to Snowbird's blooms.

We should have 2 Louise Ave. in the Cemetery sale. And this is one of the rare older HTs that really do not need rootstock.

Jeri
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15 years ago
Oh, what a pretty baby that is! Thanks for posting the photo.
It is a shame that it's not commercially available. Oh, well. Maybe one day Hubby and I can take a California "rose vacation" and go to the Cemetery sale.

Avalon
organicgardendreams
15 years ago
Jeri, what an exceptionally beautiful rose! I am really into white roses and I find it very difficult to get a good one. What you are telling us about LAWHT seems almost too good to be true.

I have three questions:
From what you wrote, I assume, it would do well in my area, too. Would you second that?

Can you describe the fragrance a little bit more? How strong is it? What kind of fragrance is it for example citrus etc.?

And last but probably most important: How can I obtain this plant, if it is not in commerce and I can't go to the Sacramento Cemetery rose sale? Are there any other possibilities?
debnfla8b
15 years ago
Lord I'd love a cutting of that rose.

It is gorgeous!

Deb
jerijen
Original Author
15 years ago
From what you wrote, I assume, it would do well in my area, too. Would you second that?

*** Well, it is excellent in the San Fernando Valley, and excellent in Camarillo (Coastal Ventura County). So yes, I suspect that it would.

Can you describe the fragrance a little bit more? How strong is it? What kind of fragrance is it for example citrus etc.?

**** I'm not good at that. There is an edge of citrus, but something spicier, too.

And last but probably most important: How can I obtain this plant, if it is not in commerce and I can't go to the Sacramento Cemetery rose sale?

*** We are only now beginning to get a few plants large enough for propagation.
You know, it takes ten years, more or less, from breeding f a new rose to introduction.
With a new-ish Foundling, it still takes time before we can make little plants and cuttings available to sales and charity auctions.

Jeri
organicgardendreams
15 years ago
Jeri, thanks a lot for answering all of my questions. It sounds like this is truly a "must have" rose for me, that I have to wait for until it becomes more widely available. Would it be possible for you to sent me an e-mail over GW, if you find out that it is for sale elsewhere than at the Sacramento Cemetery rose event?

I really would like to let you know how much I appreciate that people like you care about finding antique roses (I guess, the right term is rustling roses), propagate these found roses, so that they are accessible again to the broader public and get the word spread about them. It is so precious that this way these beauties are not getting lost.
jerijen
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15 years ago
Maybe "Rose Preservation" is more dignified than "Rose Rustling," but everyone likes that term. :-)

The nice thing about preservation is that any rose lover can play.
Grow just one really rare or endangered rose, and you're part of the process.

Jeri
organicgardendreams
15 years ago
Jeri, I have to admit that I only recently became aware of the whole issue of rose preservation mainly through reading the Antique Rose Forum here on GW.

It is a quite fascinating topic and I am happy to give at least one rose, which is rare or endangered, a refuge in my garden. Maybe Louise Ave White Hybrid Tea will be a good starting point, if I will ever get her :-)!
hartwood
15 years ago
Rose Preservation is what we're all about here at Hartwood. 'Found' roses, rare roses, no-name rescued roses ... all are welcome. It's why I have amassed this large of a collection in such a short time -- sometimes it's hard to say "when" if there's a rose that needs you. :)

I hope to be able to establish a group of these California roses here in the East. LAWHT would be a good addition.

Connie

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