Hardy David Austin Roses for zone 3 Manitoba

14 years ago

hi from carroll , southwest manitoba

am seeking help in finding hardy david austin roses for my area.

i have had luck with just snow cover for such roses as lady elsie may, emily carr, marie victorian, and most of the morden roses.there is alot of dieback in the spring , but they all come back for me.

last year i thought i would try a david austin rose(yellow molineaux)to see if it would survive.i planted it on a south facing wall , and to my surprize, it did come back for me.

does anyone out there have any other varieties of david austin roses i could have luck with in my area.thanking you in advance.

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Zyperiris
14 years ago
I am sure someone will have suggestions. Just don't buy the rose directly from Austin.
canadian_rose
14 years ago
Hi Caroll, this is from Carol! :)

I'm surprised Molineux had come back for you (even protected against the house). Had it lost any vigor? Mine survived in a raised area over one winter, but it was obviously not suited to its environemnt. It only regained two canes and had one flower.

On the other hand, these should do very well for you.

1. Brother Cadfael - great if you have dry summers (you probably don't). It got tons of buds which were beautiful and large. The bush got up to 3 1/2 feet for me. It was quite floriferous!!! Only problem was that it balled quite a bit in the 3 summers before I moved. We had 3 years of tons of rain. With protection and in an exposed area it had about 1 1/2 feet of green cane for me. Although, under your eaves, it probably wouldn't get too much rain. In that case this would be a fantastic rose for you to get!! Can't remember if there's fragrance. I think there was. This is a great rose!

2. L.D Braithwaite - wonderful fragrance. Gorgeous flowers. Tons of flowers. Same area as Brother Cadfael. This one doesn't ball. The blooms last FOREVER. Get this rose!! My fav.

3. Eglantyne - very hardy - can't say much about it because I planted it in the fall, then it overwintered (really well) and then we moved.

4. Golden Celebration - my only rose to get a little bit of BS. But I love this rose!!! I bought it again for this house because the shape of the plant is arching - great for pots which I'm now using. Gorgeous flower, scent. Lots of blooms. Wow!! About 1/2 foot of green cane in an exposed area, but winter protected.

5. Mary Rose got about 6" of live cane - but very exposed area - planted in a huge raised bed right against the wall. It didn't get many flowers. I think it needed more time and a better location.

6. A Shropshire Lad. - survived its first winter with about 2 1/2 inches of live cane. Didn't even get to see a flower since we moved. But it did get large.

7. Abraham Darby - progressively got smaller and smaller after every winter until it didn't come back. But heavenly scent and gorgeous roses!!!

But IMHO, if Molineux has good vigor for you, year after year - then you could try any Austin.

Good luck!!
I love pushing the zones too!

Carol
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Check the DA catalogue (it's online too). It has a list of the hardiest ones.
veilchen
14 years ago
Why not buy directly from David Austin? If Dr. Huey rootstock is not averse to your soil, DA bareroots are huge and vigorous, just what is needed to get a good start in a cold climate and short growing season. I get mine both from DA and Pickering in Canada (also very good quality).

Try Crocus Rose. Of all the Austins I grow (and I grow many) this one has proved to have by far the least amount of winterkill.

Brother Cadfael, Mary Rose, Winchester Cathedral, and Redoute are next in line for hardiness for me.

Even here in zone 5 I have to prune most of my Austins (except for the above) to near ground level in the spring as that is what is left live of the canes. But by June they have reclaimed nearly all their size.

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Zyperiris
14 years ago
I said that because it is rumored that Dr Huey rootstock is virused. The 2008 roses my source here in Gig Harbor got from DA were all virused and DA would do nothing about it. I don't know if this is still the case.
predfern
14 years ago
Sharifa Asma is very hardy. Many Austins have died in my zone 5a garden including Golden Celebration, A Shropshire Lad and Eglantyne. Evelyn has survived.
Krista_5NY
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Eglantyne is very hardy for me, Sharifa Asma also reliable.

The Mayflower, James Galway, Geoff Hamilton are others that have done well for me.
veilchen
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zyperiris, does that mean that all DA roses are infected? I have ordered many many roses from DA over the last 10 years on Dr. Huey and have had no virus so far. Also surprised about them not standing behind the stock, I have always experienced superior customer service from them. But maybe it's different with retailers.

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