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Differences in Cl. Cramoisi Superieur and Cramoisi Superieur?

alameda/zone 8/East Texas

16 years ago

I bought a Climbing Cramoisi Superieur yesterday, was told it was the same thing as Cramoisi Superieur, but after doing some reading, found out that doesnt appear to be so. Can someone tell me about the climbing version, what I can expect, how well it blooms, etc? Is the bloom color the same? I plan to plant it on a long fence line where it will have plenty of room...

Judith

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rjlinva
16 years ago
It's my understanding there is Cramoisi Superieur and its sport Cl. Cramoisi Superieur. I'm not sure what you're asking. My climbing one didn't bloom in its first year...mostly because my alpaca kept eating it. I think I've got the rose protected from Bruno now.

Robert
jbcarr
16 years ago
There is no scent on the climbing version.
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Original Author
16 years ago
I think I got the wrong rose, meant to get Cramoisi Superieur. But I have plenty of room for a climber on my front fence, so will plant him there and see what happens. I bought him at Chamblees yesterday, and came home with lots of roses.....so will just give him some good real estate in full sun and see what happens. Comments I read on helpmefind say he sleeps, creeps and leaps [the 3rd year]. Wonder if he blooms alot when he gets established, and has any decent rebloom or if the first flush is it?
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debnfla8b
16 years ago
I have $50 dollars burning a hole in my pocket...I have been looking over Chamblees list for 3 days. For the life of me I can't make up my mind! I am NOT including shipping in my 50 dollar rose money...tee hee!!!
I need to go and look at CS again!

Deb :o))
tenor_peggy
16 years ago
Did you purchase the climber at the same place as the bush? I read somewhere that the bush form of Cramoisi Superieur is sold as Louis Phillippe in some quarters...
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Original Author
16 years ago
Got Cl. CS at Chamblees.....maybe I wasnt looking in the right place but didnt see the bush form. I just bought a Louis Philippe for $2 [nice bush, too!] at a nursery sale. It had 2 blooms, which didnt look red like CS. Looked like it had dark pink tones, not like the CS bushes I have seen in the past.
Judith
mudbird
16 years ago
I grew both for years, the climber purchased from Vintage, and the bush from ARE. The climber was very easy to grow and put out a lot of flowers within 2-3 yrs, the flowers had little fragrance. The blooms were deep, true dark red, but not blackish, with velvety petals, quite full, tending toward mildew in my coastal garden. The bush was a beautiful dense shrub, wider than tall, with slightly different flowers: more cherry red, not in the least bit velvety, mild sweet fragrance, flowers prone to color change with the weather, consistent good bloomer but a bit prone to mildew.SInce it differed from the climber, I suspected the bush was actually Louis Phillipe. A couple yrs later, I ordered Louis Phillipe from either Vintage or ARE (can't remember) to compare. This second bush grew less dense & more angular, and it turned out flowers that were much more cherry-pink with a stronger sweeter fragrance, plus it didn't grow as well in my climate. So , my Cramoisi S. quest ended up with 3 similar, yet definitely different roses. It's been a lot cooler & foggier here the past 4-5 yrs, and I haven't had much luck with these roses -- I liked all of them, tho, and will try again. Gardeners, always optimistic!
solicitr
16 years ago
It's my understanding that climbing "Cramoisi" is not a sport of the bush, but a seedling of it, sometimes called "Madame Couturier-Mention". So they should differ somewhat.
daun
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Here is a Vintage climber that is 2yrs old. Not much scent, but blooms and color are great.
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crazy_chemist
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