Hiding the last bit of exposed liner
wxman81
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Bit of a Setback at our Pond!
Comments (6)Thank you, Gary. Yep, a hurricane would set you back alright! My husband sent me an article today about huge goldfish in Lake Tahoe that they suspect were tossed out by aquarium owners and they consider them a non-native species and therefore harmful. Well, as with happened to you, if we have what my old aunts called a 'spring freshing', torrential days-long downpours, some of my little fish may wash over into the farm pond, on down the creek and into the North Tyger River and beyond. Wouldn't want that to happen for all the world but it's not always deliberate dumping of non-indigenous species that happen! We'll build it back as we can. Everything we do on our farm is on a shoestring and by ourselves with only help from friends with heavier equipment than what we have....See MoreHiding liner edging into soil
Comments (6)So I think I got it backwards then. Everything slopes down to the pond (partly because of lack of space, sloping of the land, etc). Even the coping rocks slope towards the pond, so that the front edge of the rock facing the pond is slightly in the water (to give that 'in the water' look), but the back of the rock is raised so that its out of the water and to help keep the water running into the pond, instead of out of the pond. Only by the patio do I have the water level higher (due to a 1" miscalculation when setting the skimmer). If I slope it the way you said, won't the liner show by the water edge. My rocks aren't that big to make them overhang. I'm afraid that someone (or animal) could tip them into the pond, so instead I've set them back but have that bit of liner looking like its underwater. This is probably a very simple thing, but for some reason, I'm not getting it... Do you have a photo of your liner edge placement? All my books and magazines doen't really show it. Haven't found any really good photos on the internet either. I think I've been out there digging in the rain too long!...See MoreConsidering re-doing my pond = bentonite; dumping liner?
Comments (1)Hi Steve, Let me answer some of your concerns. If you have a tree branch that is large enough to tear the liner in the pond will also tear up the clay. In each case they both will leak. The liner can be repaired usually fairly easily. That is also true of the clay. The liner has a life span of about 50 years. Yes animals can chew a hole in the liner but far less likely than with a clay pond. You won't have a problem with either moles or voles. You can have a problem with chipmunks and mice at the surface of the pond or muskrats below the water level. But the liner will be easier to repair in any case. I have had cattails planted in liner ponds for 20 years and they have never put a hole in the liner. With clay they would not have a problem growing through the clay. For the most part any unnatural creases will disappear once algae starts to grow. Yes there can be some waste with liner ponds and liner can be heavy. I would say that all these things came from the website that was trying to sell you on clay. They told you some of the downsides of a liner pond but not the down sides of a clay bottom pond. Almost all clay ponds leak. It is just a question of how much. Clay ponds are almost never as clear as a liner pond. Any roots can grow though the clay. You talk about ground water lifting the liner. If you have a clay pond that is totally sealed the ground water will lift the clay until it leaks ground water in. Once that happens when the ground water goes down the clay will continue to leak the liner won't. Getting debri out of a clay pond is a pain. This is just a few of the problems with clay ponds. There are more and I won't go into them here. There is a reason why most smaller ponds a liner and not clay. Mike...See MoreLiner leak question - water under liner now
Comments (12)Thanks waterbug_guy and mike_il! That's I'm here - you folks are smart. The events of the past few hours have certainly shown me that you are both correct about the source of the water. I don't know what the heck I thought I was doing with my testing, must have read my yardstick wrongly. At daybreak tomorrow, I will be digging out a cubic yard of pea gravel into two large trashcans and get to the manifold at the bottom of the filter pond. No doubt, it's leaking at up there. All of my plumbing is now exposed, so that's not it. It's leaking like a pig now when the pump is running. I can't even get the waterfall to flow with the pump on, put I but my hand in front of the pump and it's pulling water, so all that water is getting underneath. A close look with a flashlight tonight showed damp ground all around the upper pond at the base of the dirt build-up. This explains a lot of things - wet vegetation around the pond, a shrub that died where the water is accumulating, and the waterfall has been a bit less powerful and tonight it"s just a trickle (pump off now). Big question: I've always run my pump 24/7. Will the fish be okay for 24 hrs with no aerating waterfall, or should I go out and buy a fountain or take my oxygen tank from my welding kit and bubble some O2 up? I will post some pictures tomorrow so you can all see my leak....See Morechas045
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