History's Mysteries-the Bourbon roses of Reunion Island
kaylah
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What makes a Bourbon? Where do they do well?
Comments (26)I live where blackspot pressure is high, and I don't use fungicides. I also have a handful of Bourbons in my garden, and some do better than others with regards to keeping nice foliage. For me, the cleanest is 'Souvenir de Victor Landeau', followed closely by 'Mme de Sevigne' -- which is like a "free-standing climber" version of 'Mme Isaac Pereire'. I don't know if it's that they're inherently less susceptible to whatever fungal strains are in my area, or if they just quickly shed affected leaves and replace them. In any case, they keep their leaves almost perfect until about November. 'Souvenir de la Malmaison' doesn't seem to get blackspot, either, but does get a touch of mildew in Spring before the first flush when it's cool and damp. This disappears on its own when the temperatures get into the 80s, and doesn't return until about November, when we often have had some cold spells followed by warm spells. In any case, its "ugly times" are when there aren't any blooms, so I don't pay it any attention. "Sophie's Perpetual" is usually listed as a China, but I think of it as a China-leaning Bourbon -- since it smells like a Bourbon. Mine gets touches of blackspot, maybe only slightly more than the others I mentioned, but since it's still small and growing slowly, one affected leaf is a higher percentage of the total number of leaves. So maybe I notice it more. 'Honorine de Brabant' keeps healthy leaves most of the season, but starts to lose those on the bottom foot to foot and a half. To give perspective, it's currently reaching over 6 feet tall. When it loses leaves lower down it doesn't replace them -- instead focusing on extending the tips of its canes and leafing out there. 'Mme Dore' and 'Mlle Blanche Lafitte' both go naked or nearly so in July, after the first flush is over. They then leaf out again, only to go naked once more by about October. These two are slower growing, for me, which probably relates to how quickly they refoliate. 'Mlle Blanche Lafitte' has me scratching my head, because it does have a few stout canes about 3 feet tall, but it seems to focus on making just one cane at a time, leafing out, then blooming. Maybe I'll give it a harsher haircut in Spring and see what it does. 'Mme Dore' I know doesn't get big, so I just snip off Winter damage and leave it alone, other than dead-heading. "Maggie" is new to me, having come only this year. So far, it's kept its leaves, but it's also still small. We'll see how it does. Then there's poor little 'Eugene de Beauharnais'. I originally planted this at the base of a tree in my front yard, where it got too much midday sun which burned its blooms. I moved it to the back, and it took some time to get adjusted again. Now I think I'll just turn it into a pot-pet, but that will wait until Spring. Why keep it in a pot? Well, I keep hearing how much of a wimp it is on its own roots, and I prefer wimps in pots filled with my "magic mix" to get them to be their best. "Huilito" is a bit of a mystery. It's usually considered a China based on its growth, but anytime I see a "China" with that fragrance, I think it's something else genetically. Maybe it's a Bourbon -- I don't know for sure. This arrived only last Spring, so it's still new. But it keeps healthy foliage for me. So there you have it -- a small but rather diverse group of Bourbons in my garden. Some stay clean, some don't. I may be trying a few more in pots, and if they do well, bring them down to my cemetery project. It's really hard to say for sure what will work unless you hear from others in your area, or are willing to try them out for yourself. :-) ~Christopher...See MoreExperience with Bourbons in warm climates?
Comments (19)Thanks so much everyone! Now at least I know that Bourbons can do OK without a cold winter. I never spray anything anymore, so the mildew is a problem. I now remember that years ago I did try Zephirine Drauhin and Madame Isaac Perriere. Unfortunately, ZD turned white from mildew (the entire bush, including the blooms), and stayed that way, unless I drenched it with fungicide every day. Also no luck with MIP - 100% balling of the flowers. I got tired of going out each morning to open them manually, although when 1 in 100 did open successfully, they were gorgeous. So, maybe I will try "local knowledge", and try growing Pierre de St. Cyr or Mlle Blanche Laffitte. Noisette and/or china in their makeup might help. We are at least 5 miles from the ocean here, but only 4 blocks from SF Bay. Hot dry summers, but we do sometimes have foggy/ overcast Springs. Campanula, I smiled at your comment that they might get very large in our warm climate. The ONLY roses I have in my garden (aside from some sad HTs and some other roses that are growing in shade) that are NOT huge are miniatures and a few polyanthas. The rest of them seem to feel that it is necessary to get at least 3 times larger than the rose books say they will. I know better now, but when I was first planting roses 20 years ago I did not. Consequently our garden is sprinkled with free standing structures and large arches that my husband had to build after the fact to support roses that I planted that were not supposed to be "climbers". Actually, some of them probably are not climbers - they are just 10' x 10' x 8' . Jackie...See More2004 'AEN' Supplement Rose List Oct. 2004
Comments (1)Please use the new posted list, thanks....See MoreOld Roses from the Island of Borneo, Southeast Asia
Comments (32)Ann , me too. Horrible heat, Hot, muggy and rains all the time. We have similar weather conditions. When I bought Maggie, I used to freak out over BS . But her China kicks in later or maybe she don't BS that much and now it is barely minimum. I have not Spray Maggie for 1 year now . She is over 6 ft and slightly over 3 ft wide. She is will be 2 yrs old. We been getting daily rain as you can see her foliage still has rain drops. I think she resist as she ages or very little . Right now I just check the whole rose bush and she is clean. Vap, if you ever make that drink . You can used any rose blooms that is very fragrant not necessarily Maggie so you know . jin...See Moredaisyincrete Z10? 905feet/275 metres
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