Actinovate organic fungicide-true or hype?
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Comments (63)Britt you have distorted Kimm's statement (" If you really have gardened that many years, with a wide variety of plants, you would have had some diseases to deal with, and certainly at least some losses." - my putting part of your statement in bold). Kimm's statement "even a small part of one" does not mean "none - zero". See: http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/small%20part You have taken a statement to an extreme. In debating, there is a name for such a practice. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&q=trying+to+take+an+argument+to+the+extreme I am reproducing your conclusion here. " Kimm, you should not lie about organic gardening benefits: they are substantial, and can stand on their own. There is no need to make unsubstantiated fantastic clams." A breakdown in logic: at first you bring up the possibility of someone lying: "is a remark that either is a total lie, or indicates that you have just not tried many things. " Then you make the above conclusion statement. ==================================================== In my rose growing years, I (Henry Kuska) grew 1000 roses and I could make the same statement that Kimm made....See MoreOrganic Feeding/Good Nutrients with micros
Comments (19)Another topic that has so many variables that there is no one correct statement that can be made. I'm wondering whether you are pushing these products for some ulterior motive. I'm not calling those amendments snake oil, in fact I haven't looked at the links. I've just come to the opinion over 60+ years of gardening that expensive fertilizers and amendments are usually overpriced for what they are and there are usually less expensive ways to obtain the same results. Anyhow, here's my 2 cents, which is more than anyone is paying me for it! I don't get all hung up on whether my soil has every nutrient imaginable. IMO if one adds organic matter regularly, uses a good quality mulch, and perhaps uses an appropriate fertilizer/amendment for certain plants that may need that, the soil will be healthy and the plants will do well. I've found making teas and applying them a lot of work. I used to have up to ten 5-10 gallon buckets of alfalfa tea brewing at any given time and constantly applied it to my large garden as well as the lawn. Way too much work for me altho I did it for years. I now make one bucket and apply small amounts to various plants that may need more nutrients because they are heavy feeders. I mostly depend on the worms to fertilize my soil which requires me to *only* provide a healthy environment for the worms. As another poster mentioned organic molasses is a good amendment which is probably under-utilized. Every gardener has to find what works best for them but I know that expensive and/or extremely labor intensive methods are not self-sustaining. Gardening is a lot of work and it's worthwhile to find the easiest and cheapest methods or you'll soon give up. Best of luck to you blazeaglory with whatever you decide to do....See MoreIs this true?
Comments (23)Yes, I am familiar with epigenetics but I don't know of any experiments done with tomatoes that have been done to address that intersting question. A single tomato plant can be cloned forever, well that's too strong a comment so lets say many years. and I know some folks who have done so for many years just out of curiousity/ There are quite a few folks in the colder zones who will over winter a particular variety, but that means taking sequential cuttings b'c the plants get too big, and then trying to time it so that last cutting makes a plant of transplant size. I've never done that b'c I always want to grow new varieties. I can't speak to the amount of fruit seen by those who clone the same plant for years, but I do know that it may take 3-4 sequential cuttings to get a variety through the winter and then it seems to produce just fine. I also know of some in CA, for instance, who winter over their plants and with some varieties they find that production in the next season is not as good. I don't know if it was discussed in that Wiki article b/c I didn't take time to read it, but a couple of months ago I read about epigenetics with humans done by either a Swedish or Norwegian researcher who followed through several generations of a family to track genetic expression. And that research was taken up by an English researcher. I do know of gene modifiers in other systems such as corn and some with bacteria, my own field although I'm now retired, but it was the first time I found out that epigenetics may also be at work in humans. Carolyn...See MoreOrganic Fungicides - Yellow leaves and Spots
Comments (21)Whatever your reasons are, it's your decision. Nobody's trying to tell you what to do. But if you recommend it as being completely harmless to the ecosystem, you are not making a correct representation of the situation, period. I don't know what you consider "creditable" if study after study on ladybugs, bees, and parasitoids isn't enough. Granted, there are many more beneficial insects that haven't been studied on this issue, but since we understand quite a bit about what neem does to a wide spectrum of insects which are considered pests, there's really no reason to think that just because humans classify others as "not-pests" that neem is going to treat them differently. stevie: besides, it's whats more safe for me. i would rather ingest some neem oil with my kale than BT, or many other pesticides that might be considered organic (copper?) BT is a harmless bacterium to humans. In addition, any residue washes off very easily unless you use a sticker. Copper is toxic in high doses, yes, but the amounts you'd get even if you didn't wash vegetables would be well within the margin of safety for most people, and organic formulations wash off very easily. Neem, meanwhile, is not always harmless to humans. Plus, neem is an oil, which won't rinse off easily with just water, so you're much more likely to consume neem residue than BT residue or copper residue. In the end, none of these choices is likely to harm you, but you'll be consuming more of the neem than the other applications. Once again, you decide the way you want to decide. But don't misrepresent facts out of ignorance to other people. People need to be given accurate information so that they can make their own decisions. stevie: there are far worse things your next door neighbor might be using. I try not to use what everyone else does as a basis to rationalize choices that I personally feel I shouldn't be making....See Morelou_spicewood_tx
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