Pondless Waterfall Question
Ashlie Neevel
10 years ago
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Pondless Waterfall
Comments (2)With a fifteen foot drop you are going to need a huge resevoir of water or you'll pump it dry. This will take the "pondless" out of the equation. Aquascapes are generally considered a rip off and too shallow for fish. If you aren't planning on fish, don't worry about it....See MoreAdvice on pondless waterfalls
Comments (8)I've had several pondless water features and they are an absolute joy. As long as you have power near by they can be very easy. Smallest -------- Bury a 5 gal bucket, or smaller, so the rim is slightly below the surrounding ground. Place small fountain pump in the bottom of the bucket. Remove any filter. Connect a length of hose to the pump out flow. Put some bricks around the pump to form a opening around the pump. Buy a piece of pond liner. I like EDPM but anything will do since it is protected from UV. The piece can be any size you like but the bigger you make it the less splash will be a problem. 3'x3' would cost less than $10. Cut a small circle in the liner maybe 4" in diameter. Position the opening over the bucket and kind of push the liner down into the bucket. Fill in the bucket with rocks which will hold the liner in place. More gaps between the rocks the better. Put dirt under the liner so it slopes to the bucket. Can be flat, slope away is no so good. Berm around the outside to create a lip. Test with water to make sure the water ends up in the bucket. Cover the liner with more rocks, any size and shape. Build your water falls anywhere you want on top of the liner. Med to Large ------------ Basically just like a regular pond. Dig the hole, cover with pond liner. I like EDPM. Cut holes in a 5 gal bucket to let water in. I use a hole saw, 1" or so. Soldering iron will work, torch, or even matches. Nothing fancy. Bucket goes into the pond ideally so the top of the bucket is just below where the rock surface will be. Brick in the bottom of the bucket, pump on top of the bucket. Plumb the pump to wherever the water feature will be. Remove the pump's filter. It serves almost no purpose in a regular pond and absolutely no purpose in a pondless feature. Put the top onto the bucket. I like the screw on type. For snap on I'd just lay the top on for easy access. Fill in around the bucket with good size rocks, hopefully larger than the holes in the bucket. Fill in the pond with rock. I like 2" river rock, sometimes called drain rock. Build your waterfall anywhere you like. Pretty easy to move it later if you think it can be improved. Build it so it will drain when the pump is off and you won't have algae problems. Plants ------ In both setups you can add potted plants that like wet feet. A few plants can really improve the look. Water Source ------------ You can just top off with a garden hose as needed. Or for top of the line... I put a livestock water tank float valve in the pond. Less than $15 at feed stores. I connect that to a sprinkler valve on a timer. I set the timer for about 2 min each day. Water is only added if the float is down enough and the sprinkler timer is on. So if the float fails the worst I do is overflow for less than 2min which is fine. Here in Phoenix 2 min a day is more than enough. Pondless features use very little water. Electric -------- You want GFI protection. For top of the line... Another nice thing is a remote switch. Cost like $10-15 at Home Depot etc... One end plugs into the outlet and the pump plugs into the other end. Little remote control to turn it on and off. Just make sure the plump isn't too large for the switch. For crazy cool... I use an Intermatic lighting controller. I set it to start the pump just before we wake up, off when we go to work, on just before we come home, etc... Way cool but pricy at around $150 for everything. Maintenance ----------- I've been running 2 of these features for more than a year and I've done nothing. For most ponds zero maintenance means a few hours a week. But these pondless deals I've done zero, nothing. I haven't added a drop of water, the auto fill does it. I don't even turn them on and off the timer does it. No string algea since it isn't on 24/7. Most of the water is in total darkness so unicell algae doesn't really grow very well. No exposed water so no mosquitoes. You can put a clorhine tablet in the water once a week if you want but I not had the need. Leaves are no problem. Rake them of the top like the rest of the yard. Birds ----- Birds love the sound of moving water. If you make a place for them to bath you'll have lot's of birds. An easy way is to place the bowl from a bird bath on some rocks and run the pump hose into the bowl. If you drill a hole thru the bowl at its lowest point to run the hose thru you'll hide the hose. No real need to seal the hole since a small leak is fine. When the pump is off the water will drain out back down the hose so the bowl is empty and no algae or mosquitoes will form....See MorePondless Waterfall Maintenance
Comments (4)Hey, Stan. I would not be surprised if the rocks in the basin were not absolutely clean when they were put in or that there are leaves, insects or other items in there. In any case, some dirt would come from the air or any rain you might have had. If there was any splashing outside of the basin there would be mud. Any debris at all can cause the growth of anerobic bacteria which is the cause of the sulphur smell. That kind of bacteria thrives when there is a lack of oxygen in the water and that is what happens when the pump is turned off. It takes only a few minutes for the good bacteria to begin to die off. Since we don't know how the waterfall and basin were constructed it is hard to give any detailed advice. I am going from what I learned when I designed one almost seven years ago. The best I can do is to say the water needs to be changed out, the basin cleaned and kept clean with a filter that you can access easily for regular maintenance and the pump needs to run 24/7. Maybe there is someone else on the forum who can give you better advice. Sandy...See Moreshow me your pondless waterfalls
Comments (23)bkay, Yes of course, the birds flock to a moving water feature - the sound of the water attracts them. Used to have this one in my old back yard, about 10'x16' (approx. 900 gallons) and robins especially loved the waterfall and bathed in it all the time. Had about 20 small goldfish and they overwintered just fine even way up here in Canada. As long as they have a 3' deep spot to huddled down into for the winter - they go into a semi-hibernation state, don't eat until the water warms up in spring. Must keep an air hole in the ice too so that they get oxygen, so either keep the ice at bay with a chisel or better still float a little pond heater when it starts to ice. Of course in Z8 or wherever it's warm enough you don't need to worry about that!...See Morewaterbug_guy
10 years agolast modified: 9 years agoAshlie Neevel
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10 years agolast modified: 9 years agoAshlie Neevel
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