Posted by: Byron 4a/5b NH (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 9:28 "Whitetail can clear a 16ft fence." ------------------------ Where did you get that bit of information from?? I believe it is incorrect. Here are several links stating that 8 to 9 feet is the maximum, which is 50% less then what you mentioned. http://albertadeer.com/library/articles/general.htm "The minimum height requirement for the perimeter fence of a deer operation is 9 feet. There are no regulations for interior fences, however 8 feet is necessary to stop deer from jumping the fence. " http://www.bennersgardens.com/info_deer_deterrents2.asp "Whitetail deer can make a standing jump as high as 10'. However, in most instances, deer will not risk jumping fences over 8' in height."

I think you will say its awesome.. :-) I have to go down 42" to get below the frost line here in northern illinois.. the concrete would be poured around the sleeve first.. so once that sets up you can drop the post into the sleeve.. really I could fill have the sleeve with gravel after that point.. as the post only goes down that far to deal with the frost line.. so I could drop another 10in of gravel into the sleeve and drop the post on top of that.. there would still be 32" of post in the ground.. also whats the harm it in overflowing? seems to me that would take a lot of water.. it would have to soak down to 42inches of soil then fill all the back up assuming it doesn't just keep soaking down in the soil underneath the gravel.. wouldn't all that water just get soaked up by the concrete anyway or pour in through the gap between the post and the concrete at grade.. and the concrete would hold it against the post while the sleeve allows it to drain and or/dry....with the sleeve going all the way down at least the water would have somewhere easy to drain to and the ribs allow for air/drying.. it's not my idea.. these two companies came up with it.. this is the link to the company that sells this product.. http://www.postshieldusa.com/cs/ or this other one.. http://www.postprotector.com/.. i'm just not planning to buy their sleeves but use the pvc sleeves just laying around lowes instead.. i am looking for better alternatives besides dont use ceder and dont use concrete.. seems to me that if any alternative is going to end up with rot eventually why not just make it easier to repair.. i also like the idea of the copper because I intend to use copper on the post caps.. and if it works and looks cool that would be great.. but if that just marginally improves the longevity of the post but you still end up having it rot out and need to remove the concrete then why not make that part easier.. don't know.. these companies at least have me convinced but like they say a sucker is born every minute.. so maybe im that sucker.. I'm here hoping somebody can save me from a dumb idea but it at least seems logical to me.. the post prevents post to soil and post the cement contact which from what i hear are the two things that kill the post..

Hi All, It is time to replace my existing wood privacy fence. I was originally going to go the route of replacing everything with wood. However, I stumbled across set-ups that use steel posts. Some metal rails as well and you just fill with wood slats (see perimtec link below). Any thoughts on durability of something like this? I live in a hurricane prone, humid area, so moisture resistance and wind durability are important to me. I did some basic web searches and can’t really find much either way on something like this. Any thoughts on set-ups like this from someone more knowledge? https://www.perimtec.com

A quick Google suggested that your tulip poplar has very deep and wide roots. As someone who has dealt with rooty soil, unless the fence guys had a special power drill, they didn't kill that many roots. You know how tough it is to chop firewood? Firewood is dead, so easier than live wood. Further, if you transplant trees, you usually leave some quantity in the old site. To sum up, staking into a big root requires a hell of a lot of work and trees can do fine if a certain percentage of roots are removed. It's unlikely your fence guys did any damage to your tree. That said, if you are worried, water it if there's a drought this summer.