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looking for tomcot on Kyrmsk1 or manchurian

13 years ago

I am trying to chase down a tomcot on Kyrmsk 1 or manchurian seedling. All I am finding are on less hardy rootstock. Anybody know a nursery with either combo this year?

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theaceofspades
13 years ago
I am looking for a Tomcot tree as well. Johnsons has it on Apricot seedling. Sanhedrin has it on St Julian, Myrobalan and Citation rootstock. St Julian is semi dwarfing and cold hardy. If I were in zone 4 I'd get a bench graft done with Tomcot on a Manchurian rootstock. You can e-mail me for the persons address. I am going to graft my own on Manchurian.
windfall_rob
Original Author
13 years ago
There is also a big outfit in oregon, Van something that has them on peach seedling. I found a guy with them on manchurian in pots in south carolina but they won't ship due to ag restrictions (I assume on the soil?) and I would rather have bare root.
Are you thinking of Bob Purvis as the material source for grafting? He has been most helpful to me already and I am planning on getting a hargrand from him...but he doesn't have any tomcot trees available this spring....and I had really wanted to put the two together in a close planting at the same time...
I may try to graft to the hargrand, or just wait a year and either try to make both myself with material from Bob, or ask him to make them up for me....but I was hoping to chase the tree down this year and get things going with the pair. I seem to be out of luck on plan A.
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theaceofspades
13 years ago
I have a couple Tomcot branches that I budded last spring that I am going to use with the Manchurian rootstock to make another tree. I have a scion order with Bob Purvis and he has the Manchurian rootstock.

So far I got 14 different varieties on one tree. Apricots are easy to graft. We don't get late freezes on LI so I am testing west coast, Canadian and asian apricots to see what does what.

Funny story, a couple years ago I ordered 1/4" Marianna rootstocks with a tree order from Raintree. I planted them out in the backyard behind the apple trees, never looked at them again. Last winter I go out into the yard for some dormant cuttings to root out some more Marianna root stocks. Marianna can be rooted from cuttings, No roots, I tried everything. I grafted plums, Kahinta & South Dakota, to a couple of the Marianna root stocks this spring and they are 7-8' tall now. I looked at the Raintree Marianna rootstocks yesterday as I have ordered the scion wood to graft to them and I saw they were already grafted! and they look just like Mirabelles! I got ten for $30.
sautesmom Sacramento
13 years ago
I'm a little confused---Is that why the cuttings wouldn't root, because they were really Mirabelles you cut from the tops of the "Mariannas"?

(And how I wish I had a yard so big I could heel-in 10 trees and forget I had them there!!! Someday....)

Carla in Sac
nhardy
13 years ago
Cummins Nursery has add a ton of varieties of apricot tree grafted on Kyrmsk1 including Tomcot. Check it out!!!!
franktank232
13 years ago
I have a bunch of Tomcot seeds that i'm growing out (they are in the refrigerator right now)...

Whatever Raintree puts under their Tomcots that is what i'm using here in z4 Wisconsin.... Seem to handle everything great so far.
windfall_rob
Original Author
13 years ago
Thanks for the heads up nhardy,

Cummins must have had an order change or was waiting for a fall count, as a whole bunch of those weren't listed as of a week ago. Bob Purvis had told me he had sent cold hardy cultivar scionwood to them, but I wasn't expecting trees to be available for another season.

I am ordering some other stuff from them this season. Wish I had known these were in their beds...but I already put in an order for some Manchurian rootstock and scionwood from another source (Bob Purvis)...gonna try to build a tomcot and a hargrand.
The more I research, the more I think the krymsk may be more dwarfing than I want for these trees anyhow. I am seeing numbers of 50-60%.
I am going to try a few plums on K1 and perhaps even a peach...the cornell test plots found it to markedly improve winter hardiness on peaches over a severe test winter they had back in '05. The same effect was noticed with american plum seedling rootstock, and I have read theories that these rootstocks are shutting down growth earlier in the fall and allowing the tree to harden off more effectively.

Anybody with experience with the k1 I would be glad to hear. I have read several posts from fruitnut that he has not been too keen on it...especialy not for anything but plums and pluot.

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