Amending sandy soil and fertilizing for apples
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Best way to amend soil before apple planting?
Comments (6)midlin: In my opinion you are going way overboard here. Trenching the soil or rolling up the sod aren't necessary. If you must dig out a planting hole about 3-4ft wide but no deeper than needed, say about a foot deep. Amend that soil with some rock phosphate. That will carry your tree forever. An alternative would be high P fertilizer incorporated a couple inches deep and covered with mulch in an area about 4ft diameter around the tree....See MoreAmending sandy soil with kitty litter?
Comments (3)I've basicly fine white beach sand yard and yrs ago started loading a scotts speedygreen fert spreader with walmart kitty litter. I cant tell you how much, but over several yrs its gotten plenty to keep any cat happy. I just put down as much as I could tollerate appearance wise. It sort of crusts up for a bit then disappears about as quick as a compost top dressing. Lawn here doesnt wilt very easy if I forget to sprinkle during our once per week restrictions. Still looks, feels, walks like beach sand, but its got green grass on top, and somewhere inbetween all those white beach sand grains is some kitty litter bits holding water and fertilizer and releasing it slowly. It is a bit alkaline,,, so do watch ph. I read up alot on bentonite clay, fish ponds and learned quite a bit about bentonite....See Moreamendments for sandy soil
Comments (6)I haven't used the Kellogg Amend, but a quick Googling indicates it's basically compost with some fertilizer added as well as gypsum. You certainly don't need gypsum since it's for improving the texture of clay soil. The fertilizer value could probably be obtained cheaper elsewhere - for example, plain old compost has NPK. If it were me I would get 2 bags of compost instead of one bag of Amend. Peat moss will add organic matter but I'm not real sure if it will do anything special in a sandy soil that compost won't. It's fairly expensive compared to locally made compost. I would also look at their cheaper brands of compost. Sometimes these are real crap and have a lot of soil in them, but sometimes you get lucky and it might look almost as good as the fancy stuff. If there isn't a broken bag to look in, discretly poke a finger-sized hole in one and take a look....See MoreDo soil amendment products really help our adobe clay soils?
Comments (34)Someone here is having good results with amending clay with 50 percent sand and then topping the area with sandy loam. The nurseryman who runs Laguna Hills Nsy and gave the soils class takes the stock he buys and removes most of the mix around the roots. Then he replaces it in peat moss, perlite, pumice,sand and some charcoal. He would add more sand in the mix he sells bagged but the bags would rip or be too expensive to ship. The charcoal is there because the world's best soils have some charcoal content. A building supply in Costa Mesa sells something called Rick's mix that is sandy loam and decomposed granite for improving clay. I have used the best potting mixes I could buy and watch the plants die off in a year. With the mix from Laguna Hills, it doesn't happen. Now I use a mix of my own soil, sand and the Laguna Hills formula. I have been making charcoal all winter and sifting it to throw out the ash which is alkaline. In the old days the nurseries planted in Sandy loam and sold bareroot. No one amended the holes or they planted high in large mounds or raised beds if drainage was poor. Now the wholesalers who planted in real soil are being edged out by those who plant in composted wood. The plants grow fast and are lighter to ship but eventually the breakdown of the planting material kills the plant. You can slow the process by letting the mix dry out almost completely before watering again, but it stresses the plants, especially in our warm climate. In the old days, a nursery could water every day with no root problems at all. A nursery could keep their stock for years and water every day and feed once a month until it sold. Now it's a race to sell the plant before the mix degrades and the roots die. The nurseries have to move their stock quick before then. Even if you plant it in good soil, the plant might not make it to five years because the mix around the trunk has become poisonous to the plant. Some plants grow fast enough to get roots out beyond into good soil. Arborists use augers to drill out holes around the trunk and backfill with sand to get the oxygen into the toxic area. You can also dig into one side and replace with 100 percent soil and six months later do the other side. The formula is stay away from three times the diameter of the trunk when removing roots. That was the formula for moving plants sold in soil wrapped with burlap. Any plant you fix needs to be shaded for two weeks. You can also help them by spraying the leaves with 1 gallon water 1 oz Karo syrup 1 oz seaweed 1 oz fish fertilizer a little wetting agent I hope this helps anyone trying to save a plant. I think it's rotten that plants are being sold that they know will have problems later on. People think it's their fault. The landscape reflects the trend towards only plants that can overcome the crappy potting mix and we all get taught wrongly to add this stuff to the soil at planting time....See Moretheaceofspades
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