Any Ideas for Backyard Slope

15 years ago

Today we cleared most of the awful stuff from our slope. It used to look nice when I spent 2 hours a day on it, but turned into plumbago hell about 10 yrs ago. A guy is coming over this week to start working on it. We were going to terrace the whole thing, but it's pretty steep, with some areas too steep to walk on. It's 60'x27'. Now we're thinking of doing switchback trails (like they build roads on the side of a mountain) and building a bench at the top, where the view is nice. We'll try to keep the pencil tree, pyracantha, and a few other large plants if it works out, and will plant succulents and cactus on most of it. We have broken cement, bricks, etc. from curb shopping and our former pool decking. I've been working on curb shopped fence boards for a long time and hope to get them installed onto the chain link in the next several months. I'd like to get some ideas or photos if anyone has any. Yup, that's me sitting at the bottom. Nope, the back yard isn't very big. DH took the photo from the roof, lol. Linda

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7 years ago

Hi Linda! I wanted to know what you ended up doing in your backyard. We have s similar sloped backyard and would love to see your end result! Best regards, Naomi

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luna_llena_feliz
15 years ago
That is a steep slope! If it is feasible, I'd build a deck out over the slope and then plant the rest with things that would hold up on that slope. Kind of create a pretty view that won't require a lot of maintenance.

I worked with a woman who bought a bigger house with her husband. She was so surprised that they got it so cheap. We were invited over after she moved in and we looked around the house and thought she got an awesome buy. It was a very nice place. That is until she opened up the back door and there was a steep hill right outside the door! Your slope there reminds me of what she had right outside her back door. She quit and went to work somewhere else so I never did find out what she did with it.
lindasewandsew
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15 years ago
Thanks Luna, Luckily, this slope is 20 or 25 feet from the back door. There are lots of slopes in SoCal that are just like you described. This one is clay soil, hot and dry. Those sprinkler lines in the photo haven't worked for a long time, and the plants survive with no water except rain, which we don't get much of. It should be a fun project (or at least fun when it's done, lol). Linda
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I am with Dottie that you would do well to plant next fall (mid-September to late October in your zone) to allow root growth but have less stress on the plants due to shorter, cooler days. Regardless of what you plant, it will need regular water until the ground freezes. This season you can evaluate the site and plan so that you are ready come fall. I also agree with Dottie about voles - you could ask on the perennial forum or on the shrub forum (whatever type of plant you end up with) for suggestions that seem less attractive to voles. Most types of deodar cedar (Cedrus deodara) are hardy to zone 7, so not an option for you, though there are some types rated for colder temperatures such as 'Kashmir', 'Shalimar' and 'Polar Winter'. I'd check around at local garden centers, botanical gardens, and arboretums to see if anyone has local information as to how they do before planting them. It's tough having a borderline hardy tree that does well for several years and then is half-killed during a particularly cold winter. My inclination would be to plant native plants or ones that you are sure don't have escapist tendencies since you are on the edge woodlands, and plants such as ivy or vinca can grow into the woods, disrupting the native plants. You may find that you have already existing woodland spring wildflowers when you go into the woods in the spring. (Be aware that spring is the worst time for ticks, though they around all of the warm season, so get in the habit of doing a careful check of clothes whenever you have been out in the yard, and of your entire body at least once a day if you have been outside at all. It takes a few minutes, but I include it in my bedtime routine and haven't had an embedded tick yet, though I find them on my skin and clothes often.) Light levels: If you plant the slope with typical meadow wildflowers, you may have mixed results, depending on the amount of sun you have. Something like Rudbeckia is really a sun flower, and so may not do particularly well there. I would start taking photos at 8:00, 10, noon, 2, and 4:00. Do this at the spring solstice (mid-March, 1st day of spring), and about once a month up until the summer solstice (mid-June, 1st day of summer.) This will give you a good idea of how much sun you actually get there. If you want to try Rudbeckia, I'd go ahead and do that this spring since it will establish better with less established grass. By planting time, you may have a pretty good idea of how much sun the area gets. Water and nutrients: You might want to ID the trees along the top of the slope; depending on what you have, they may send out more or fewer shallow roots into the slope area to compete with whatever you plant. I say this because they look to me like red maples, which have fast-growing shallow roots and will compete for water and nutrients with whatever you plant. So the sooner you plant, the sooner what you plant gets established enough to be able to compete with the red maples. If you have oaks, they won't be an issue since their roots are deeper. Watch the slope and see how water levels fluctuate over the year. If it is a recently cut bank, the soil may actually be subsoil and benefit from adding organic matter to the surface, or there may be springs that will cause problems if not addressed. I'd also get a soil test done (Cornell U does them among other places) to see what will grow well in your soil. For instance, that might be a lovely place for some rhododendrons, but only if you have acid soil. Mowing: If you end up deciding to keep this meadow, it will need mowing 2-4 times a year with a brush mower to keep out woody plants. In my area those woodies include sweet fern, red maple, staghorn, sumac, white pine, black cherry, all of which like open areas for their seedlings. Seeds will blow in or be brought in by animals, and some of them will start growing, often including non-native invasives such as buckthorn, bittersweet, barberry, burning bush, and Japanese honeysuckle. In the northeast and Great Lakes area, unmowed areas will always turn into forest eventually, so you want to mow to prevent the process from getting started. In our field we time mowings to allow the ground-nesting birds' chicks to hatch undisturbed (turkeys are our most frequent ground nesters), and to allow certain plants to bloom, but for a chunk of time it is just mowed field. You can time one of your mowings for early fall just before the leaves change color, which will allow flower seeds to ripen but prevent baby trees from storing nutrients. Your landscaper may have access to a brush mower to do this for you. Regardless, the part you keep for sledding will need either regular mowed grass or the periodic Consider a mixed shrub border for the less steep part of the slope. I have one that is heavily mulched or groundcovers between plants and edged to keep out grass, and I only spend a few hours a year (perhaps an hour a month) weeding it, and it's probably about 15'x70'. It provides blooms, varied summer foliage, winter evergreens and berries, and colorful fall foliage for very little maintenance work. In the late fall or early spring I use hedge clippers to whack off the perennials and clematis to ground level. This one is full sun, but I have others in less than half day sun with a mix of shrubs and a few perennials, also edged and heavily mulched. This one is about 5 years old. Fall Spring early Winter So you have lots of options, but specific plant recommendations depend on your goals, your soil, and your sun levels.
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aka_strawberrygoat
15 years ago
this project is going to be important to follow the progress....I have a slope in my backyard that is similar..
but it's 125'by about the same 27' or so...
just about as steep and a daunting job, that I have no clue of what to do with..
the 15 trees that used to be there, were cut down by a builder, who had the road widened, utilities buried there, behind the chain link fence and a houseing development put in, at the end of the road, to the right of the picture..
soon to be about 400 newly constructed houses...
I used to have privacy, stability on the hill and some security....not now.
not a pleasant feeling, at all.

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nmgirl
15 years ago
It would be a lot of work but could you put in some terraces combined with the switchbacks? They would help hold what precip you do get and help stabilize the soil. You could plant them with some cascading/creeping plants for variety. The terraces could also go "around", not in the literal sense of course, the mature plantings you're trying to keep to minimize root disturbance during this project.
Just a thought. Good luck!
katishooked
15 years ago
Big job. But like the idea of switchbacks. Think it would help the runoff problem. Let us know what you decide to do.
use2bcapecodr
15 years ago
Oh...WOW...and I thought our yard was a lot of work!!

I love the idea of the switchbacks, and can hardly wait to see the finished project. Good luck with it!

~Sandy~
concretenprimroses
15 years ago
I like the switchback idea too. You could create the feeling of your own private mountain. But I was going to say you need to leave one side a hill for sledding, lol. Then I remembered you are in CA. Maybe a little shelter at the top like for camping.
kathy
susiewantsroses
15 years ago
I love the switchback trails and terrace idea. I can also see a terrace area large enough for an ornamental water feature and/or bistro table or rock bench seating area. This should be right in the middle of the slope. That could be the first attraction on the trails. Then the eye catching appeal of the wide board fence will draw *Nanna's little hikers* to the top. How are planning to decorate your fence? I bet I know.tee hee Susie
luna_llena_feliz
15 years ago
You know, I thought of the deck that would project out over the hillside because, being handicapped, there is no way on God's green earth that I'd be walking up and down a slooped path! lol! I was also thinking of the view from the homeowner's perspective and not their neighbors. To me, the switchbacks would offer someone from the perspective of the photographer in the picture a gorgeous view but they wouldn't have to climb up and down the hill. So keep in mind how often you'd want to trudge up and down the hill when you are landscaping.

Looking at that slope reminded me of the Villa Terrace Decorative Arts Museum here in Milwaukee. They have a gorgeous "waterfall" down the center of slope like that with stairs along side of it. The hill is planted with shrubs and then at the bottom there is a lovely garden. Google "Villa Terrace Decorative Arts Museum" and you'll see pictures of it.

aka_strawberrygoat, I think your hill will help hide the new housing coming in if you plant it right. It reminds me of berms that people build to cut down on noise from a nearby street or to create a sense of privacy. I'd plant a variety of trees, shrubs and wildflowers (because they can take care of themselves) on the hill to create a wall of plants to block out your new neighbors, to stop erosion and to prevent all the water flowing down straight towards the foundation of your house.
Marlene Kindred
15 years ago
Hi Linda~

Wow, you do have a steep slope to work with. My first thoughts were to specify a couple of "planting" areas...almost like small rooms...wherever the view would be most pleasing. Then, I would incorporate the use of the switchback paths, but not overdone. I'm visualizing using large boulders or rock plantings...dug into the hillside of course, with lots of ground cover..trailing type plants and minimal plantings within the majority of the hillside...letting the groundcover take over in most places and reserving the "rooms" to landscape. Perhaps constructing a pergola in one of the rooms would serve as a focal point. I have no idea if this is making sense, but I can see the picture in my mind...I'll see if I can draw something and send it to you.
Calamity_J
15 years ago
I know we are being bad by posting this topic BUT I am sooo excited to see it as I am getting a deer fence and some landscaping done to my back yard Tomorrow!!!! Mine is 60ft wide x 130ft deep/down!!! I have broken my leg once and my tailbone bruised another time...in 4 years I've lived here!!! DH is balking about me spending $5000, but I AM WORTH IT!!!! Besides I'm Paying the bill so hmm!!! I noticed that Strawberry has the same kind of round garden art that I do!!!heh heh! Yup, I put a window in our shed so I could see my soon to be "Garden Junk Wunderland"!!!

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sweetkountry
15 years ago
I would plant lots of small trees and shrubs on both Strawberry and Linda's hills. Simply because they have bigger/deeper root systems and could help to stabilize the hillside.

For Strawberry I would plant some pines and then some smaller trees, like cherry or crabapple, then you could underplant with hostas.

For Linda I would stick to the smaller trees, make sure at least one is at the top to provide shade for your bench. After planting the trees, then I would fill in with shrubs then easy care shade plants.
cindee11461
15 years ago
I also lived on a steep hillside before we moved to our new house 19 years ago. It was always a challenge to maintain that hillside. We watered it and planted ground cover but it was way to steep to walk up.
The terrace idea is a good one and the switch back trails.
sunnyca_gw
15 years ago
I live in Ca. & I wouldn't want big boulders on a hill-we have earthquakes!! Switchback trails are very good idea. i walked up my bro's & it was just about same as your's Linda. On the right side my dad built a beautiful gazabo & it was painted white & was lovely, they had a patio table & chairs in it but it was about 8 steps up to it. It got used very little!!!It was probably a selling point but going up those steps with food, cold drinks etc was work!! The rest of hill was just planted with things, mostly 3-4 fruit trees & I'll have to see if I can find a pic. As I mentioned before fruit trees did well, apricot, peach, 2 apples "Beverly Hills" apple does well in our heat & it is a delicious large green apple with red streaks & firm good eating & wonderful for pies & cobblers. I think Jade plant would be great it gets quite large & if it gets too big it is easy to cut back, very juicy stems, you don't want a lot of leafy trees so you will have a mess every fall. Use the succulents as they don't shed much, if break off easy to remove,it will be a big job keeping it up & most people don't after a few years so has to be simple. And so easy to fall. Dad went up there a bunch of times they moved about 2001 so by then bro was only 1 that would even try it & he only went up to get fruit & trim off something dead. New house they look down on all these people with yards like he used to have!!They are only 3 yrs old wonder what it will look like in 10 yrs. How to you scan a photo to a computer? Jan
nanagrandma
15 years ago
I like the idea of a small deck maybe with pergola in the center put small table and chairs. And then do the switcchback maybe putting some ot that concrete and brick to decorate the switch backs. Have fun!

Suculants sound great but cactus with spines may hurt the climber you happen to sit on them, LOL OUCH

Sylvia
concretenprimroses
15 years ago
Congratulations Calamity! Be sure to post after pics. And I don't think that this is really offftopic cuz we have to have a backdrop for our creations don't we? After all this is the GARDEN Junk, not the Junk, forum.
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aka_strawberrygoat
15 years ago
lol...yeah, those round garden art artifacts, have turned into some rhubarb and tomato planters..

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I liked that idea of the smaller trees for the shade, with hostas underneath..
heaven knows I have enough hostas to fill in there, where any shade will be...

this was in 2004

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and then, I raised them and divided them..this was last summer..

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plans are in the making for a plant sale, this year, to help pay for supplies I need to support this habit..lol
they've only been play time, till this season. If I divide carefully, I should end up with over 300 of them.

that would look totally awesome, up there on that back hill, which has been neglected for all the years I've been here.
I'd thought of a zig zag line of laurel, along the chain line, but never did decide what to do to fill below.
morning glories was going to be a choice but I need more stability and privacy than they would do.

I always worry about cars hitting that fence and coming into the yard..the trees that used to be there, were my buffer..

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I was promised a security fence...so far, that's in vain.
Calamity_J
15 years ago
Stawberry, didn't you run a tree farm? And now a hosta farm!!! I'll have to come to your sale!!! Soooo...heeeerrreeesss some pics!!!

my sloped walkway

wheelbarrow accessable!!!

Let's just make a nice terrace on this slope!!!

I hope you don't get too "tired" looking at these pics!lol!
Sheesh, if I am this excited about the landscaping the first day...what will I be like when they come tomorrow and the next few days, to redo the irrigation system and put in the deer fencing!!!!??? YEEHAW!!!
TwoMonths
15 years ago
Personally I think dog trots are too much climbing up. I would rather walk 8 steps to a path and then walk flat for a while than walk up that hill, even as a dog trots. I see you have some steps on the side near fence. If you made a series of horizontal leveled paths coming off the stairs, it would be less walking. Maybe one below and one above the trees. Later you could do steps on other side and maybe middle of the slope. Maybe put in some railroad ties with rebar holding on the outside with plants on outside of those and some bricks or something on the inside of path to hold your plants on that side out of your path. This will control water also. Sprinklers at the very top will help water the whole hill cause it will trickle down. Add a hose attachment to the end and hook up a hose to water.

Now to have fun you could put a slide down it, lol. You could use it to pull a bucket up the hill. LOL.

If you sank two poles with crossbars in area between the two trees, you could cut out the bank behind it a little and make a patio there. Maybe sink in a steel post with a hole big enough to hold an umbrella when you wanted to sit up there. Solar lights on patio and pathway would be nice to guide you down at nite after looking at the lights of the city (or carry a flashlight, lol) Or you could put a small patio area on the one path to the left of trees and one patio area on the other path to the right of trees.

Also shepherd hooks along the path would be nice to hang plants/birdhouses/feeders. I think with the great fence you have planned, you will not need much. But the paths would be great paths for trellis or place for garden art.
aka_strawberrygoat
15 years ago
omg! is that happening now?
oh, to have a real farm equipment...
this yard could handle some of that kind of work..
I'm still waiting to see what Linda comes up with..
her yard is more like what I have to deal with.

wow, Jane, I can see how you went tumbling down your yard last year...
that would scare the beegeebers out of me!
I'd be hobbling along, with a walking stick, on that slope.
lindasewandsew
Original Author
15 years ago
Wow, thanks for all the ideas everyone. I've been out stripping more stuff off the hill, so haven't had time to reply. I installed those steps myself years ago, and needless to say, they were not for the faint of heart, lol. I pulled them out today, but they'll be back up there somewhere. Tomorrow morning a guy is coming over with some ideas. I can hire him by the day and use him whenever, as long as he doesn't have a previous appt. He seems to have lots of good ideas and is willing to let us and our yard guy do most of the labor. He also said that there's a lot of 'cool stuff' (junk) in the back yard that will look good up there. My kind of guy!!

sb goat, It's funny we have the same slope! Luckily, mine is the smaller one. I love those tires!! I never see those around here. Also, your plants are beautiful. That little pool will be a lot easier to remove than ours was.
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Calamity, I like that tire retainer wall, and will try to figure out a way to incorporate some tires into the hill. Maybe the off road places will part with some with interesting tread and I can paint them. I suspect that most cities in my state wouldn't see the humor in planting tires in the back yard. And could you send that digger over here for a few days?? lol.

Feel free to keep the photos and ideas coming. The're very helpful, and guy we're using is open to whatever we want and I've already written some of them down for him. Linda
jeannespines
15 years ago
lindas&s...I don't have to deal with anything like your backyard...but I love all these ideas and keep admiring your pic of you sitting there.

First, I think your dog-eared fence will change the entire look at the back of your hill. Can you use "used RR tyes" in CA? I think those would be very useful for some gardening steps or to hold plants in place in the side of the hill. I would put up lots of "vertical" items ... like an arbor made of 2 old doors (can you grow Mandarin Orange honeysuckle?)....also add some tall posts with bdhses or feeders or weathervanes? Please add your colorful license plate projects!!!

I know you don't want the water running down the hill but can you incorporate "rock" somehow into a meandering "dry rock bed" that runs horizontally instead???

Oh, have fun...it will be awesome! Can't imagine your CA terrain? Nor yours, strawberry & calamity! Love seeing pics as you make progress! Jeanne S.
luvstocraft
15 years ago
Hi Linda, Looks like you have been working really hard. That's a really large area and I can see why you would like to use it and make it a fun place to look at. You always come up with such great ideas and your projects turn out great, so I am really excited to see what you do with this one!

No help from your neighbors, looks like just trees and shrubs on theirs. The ladies here had some great suggestions. I think the idea of a "switchback" walkway with a couple areas leveled out for a bench or a couple of chairs as you walk along and up the walkway would be great. You could then sit up there and admire the view and your "domain". LOL

Your new wooden board fence will make a huge difference by blocking part of the house behind you, and the little cutouts in it will be so cute. That will give you a great "backdrop" and will let your plants show up more.

Good idea to try to save the healthy existing plants since you already know they thrive in our summer heat. Since you already use lots of Calif. native plants, you will know which ones will do well without any irrigation. (Does the neighbor behind you water his yard? Do you get some of the runoff? That would be helpful for your plantings.) Are you going to use the red pots in places along your walkways up there? Now that would sure give a pop of color. I like the idea of arrangements of three in various sizes--that would really be a good focal point.

Know you are excited to get this project going, and I can't wait to see the results. Hope you will share some "in progress" pics with us--do you remember when Cait was creating her Our Lady Gardyn? It was so fun to sign on here and read about the section she was working on that day. ;o)

Luvs aka Kay
sunnyca_gw
15 years ago
My computer needed memory so got some more & new Norton but wish I could get rid of all the popup ads! Anyway if I disappear it's because of computer. Yes you can use RR ties in CA. & you can even make wide steps that arn't too deep. I've been to places that have them on slope & they were like 2 ft square for each step with gravel in the middle-much less likely to fall if you are carrying pots or plants or garden equip. Hostas die on me almost instantly!! I'm so jealous!! I think they only do well with some shade out here. There was a nursery out by Ventura freeway going towards Westlake Village & it had paths of ties as the nursery is on a hillside. Try googling in So. CA. nurseries. They might have a web site. I walked on 1 picking out a rose for my yard. I wasn't driving so wasn't paying much attention to exactly where we were. They were right off the freeway & had a lovely gift shop, I think it was family owned. I looked for pics of DB backyard at other house but didn't go far enough back yet. I took a lot of pics that xmas so they are there somewhere in the tote, in shoe boxes by year in case I had to leave when we had the fire. Oh, cactus have thorns more than succulents but they are all succulents- only place I've read about them is in Sunset book called Cactus & Succulents, imagine Ortho has 1 also. They all have blooms at least once a year -or at least ones I have. Milkweed is actually 1 (I don't have it tho)Kalanchoe,Huernia confusa,donkey tail,sedums & epiphyllium are some common ones. None of these has thorns. Most do great in pots & will do well on hillside. Colors range from light greens, bluish, dark green, red, orange. Epiphyllium are the most beautiful as they have huge blooms in white, red, coral, pinks. Glad you have guy you can work with Linda, sounds like the perfect solution, someone that listens & bounces ideas off of you!!Jan

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