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Comments (10)I also have a garden that normally only gets weekend attention. Good results with beets, carrots, onions, broccoli, bibb or buttercruch type lettuce, butternut squash, lima beans. I grow these too but there's the occasional overripe runaways: peas, summer squash, sweet corn, green and wax beans. I also keep trying pumpkins, but they get hit with powdery mildew every August, so its a race between getting some viable fruit vs. the kill off. In 2010 I had a grand total of 2 good pumpkins. My butternut squash vines also die off, but enough fruit matures in time that I get a good harvest. I've given up on remote tomatoes entirely; late blight always gets them. I've tried a weekly fungicide program on the PM and blight, but it only seems to slightly delay the inevitable, so I've decided its just not worth the effort. I'll introduce supposedly resistant varieties instead. Usually for beets, carrots, lettuce, summer squash, corn, beans, peas, I sow 2 or more varieties, sometimes at staggered times so I get a longer harvest. (Corn is always staggered!) Last year for instance, in the beets department I had a row each of Early Wonder and Detroit Dark Red sowed at the same time, with the plan that EW would be earlier. Their germination, top growth and tasty roots were in lock-step the whole season for size and time of harvest. The only way I could them apart after picking is the EW's were slightly purple-pink whereas the Detroit's were, well, dark red! In the carrot department, I had a row each of Danvers and Nantes sowed at the same time. The Danvers out-performed the Nantes by being earlier, bigger, and more uniform. Nantes came in later and had a lot of forked and split roots. (This year I'll pit Danvers against Chantenay.)...See MoreAny secret to keeping veg garden on schedule? [g]
Comments (39)Hello again :-) So, after another year of trying to schedule better...here is where I am at. veggiecanner said.. 'I have a garden plan going every year but find that it is only a guide to what really happens. ' Exactly! I had a plan but in the spring, I got sick and couldn't get out to garden until the end of May and by then I had a LOT to do out there, so the veggie garden was off to a slow start again! I did manage to start tomato seeds with the winter sowing method but for some reason, this year I had only 1 container germinate. I kept waiting for the others to germinate and by the time I gave up on them and headed to the nursery it was June and they were out of my favorite varieties. I think that will work out okay though. I am trying two new varieties from the nursery this year. Wayne...didn't get to sowing the broccoli in June again. BUT...I have a feeling I am not going to have room for them anyway. I have 3 of my raised beds planted with tomatoes that were planted very late. They are still only about 2 feet tall and it is mid July! So I don't think I will be pulling them too early. I will be lucky if I get ripe tomatoes at all. I only have one bed with string beans and that will be the only vacant bed, which I plan on planting with cover crop this year. My large containers that had tomatoes last year, have squash, cuke, watermelon and pumpkin in them, so I don't think they will be coming out early either. That is what you get with a small garden. I am actually feeling very good about our vegetable garden right now though. I have realized that part of the problem is I am trying to renovate the whole yard and the work that has to be done is always competing with the veggie garden too. Once I get a lot of the other work done, I will be better able to concentrate on the veggie garden. I am actually keeping up with it really well when I stop and think about it. I have gotten the frame work of the veggie garden finished and this is the second year of working with it and it is really as good as I can get it in the space I have, I am sure. I don't mean that it can't be improved upon later, just that the groundwork is done. The raised beds are working out great. As for looking neat and attractive, we had laid down cardboard with bark mulch all around the beds last year. This year the weeds were up like crazy right through what was left of the mulch. I don't know why I was surprised. We decided that we can't be weeding that whole area every year, so we bought weed fabric and layed it down in the paths and around the perimeter and put the bark mulch on top of that. The label said 15 years...I would be happy if I got 5. [g] I did something right since I last posted. I did buy a cover crop, Hairy Vetch, last year and even though it was late to put it in, it stayed warm so late, that it had plenty of time to grow before any bad weather. I turned it into my containers this spring and the soil is much better. Everything looks pretty healthy. Also added compost to my raised beds this spring and they look healthy too. I used Hay to mulch the raised beds which has eliminated weeding and is looking nice too. I also am keeping a daily journal now [thanks for that tip George and tjg911] for the first time and taking photos as often as possible. chaman's idea of keeping some space open for fall planting so I don't have to worry about scheduling the earlier crops was one that I think might be the only way I am going to get a fall crop. [g] I am going to have to rethink if there is somewhere I can put a couple of beds or containers that I could leave free every year, just for a fall crop. tjg011...I did wait to sow zucchini seed until July 4th. So we will see how that works out. It feels so funny to have little zucchini seedlings in the middle of July. Well, I have a good start I think and I am keeping a copy of this thread on my desktop to refer to, since there are so many great suggestions that I hope to try. Thanks again to everyone for sharing your experience and veggie wisdom. Photos taken first week of July. :-)...See MoreGardening updates and random ramblings.
Comments (14)Di, stop judging your adequacy as a person by your productivity, dammit! Just be. You're not in denial. Nobody is going to think you're "all better now" just because you're working in the garden, and any guilt you have belongs in the bottom of your compost heap where it can rot into something better. Easier said than done I know. But I do wish you'd be less harsh on yourself. Rant over. You are as beautiful as you are loved, and I hope that the nurturing of life around you helps you to continue to heal. You'll never turn off the grief like a switch... it's just a new part of you... As for gardening activities, I'm going a bit frantic myself. Mostly because spring and early summer are make-it-or-break-it times for those of us in colder climes and there are certain things that just need to be done. But they mostly got done. My fingerprint is now clearly visible on our yard. It has come a long way from the 30-some nasty spirea, 5 unkempt and gianormous pontentilla, and swaths of rock and landscape cloth that greeted me when we moved in. The perennials I planted are really coming into their own, and I beam with pride when people stop to ask me about plants or for advice in their own gardens. I almost typed that I had hardly planted anything at all this season... and then I realized that I've put at least 500 individual plants into the dirt, and have no clue how many seeds I've planted. I suppose that's "hardly anything at all" compared to what I've been doing the last few years though... I'll always have a bit of grass because the dogs (ours and the neighbors who come over daily to play) need space to poop and romp, but I'm using Steve's love affair with his ridiculously oversized riding mower to justify a nearly constant expansion of my planting beds. As much as I dislike that mower, I owe many a bed to its lousy cornering capability! ;o) I am well pleased with last year's rain barrel project, and would heartily recommend them to anyone who is struggling with feast and famine rains. I have a total of 220 gallons of capacity, and a half an hour's worth of rain will fill my barrels to the brim. The drip irrigation system I built for them last year made watering a couple beds completely effortless. I can't say enough nice things about them and am grateful to Leaveswave for the guidance. Of course my neighbor is laughing her butt off at me for my planting idiosyncrasies. I have a bad habit of "not wasting" seedlings. Who is she to say that 45 hot pepper plants is too many (for a woman with a low tolerance for "hot")? I think I showed restraint by not planting all 150 that I started! (She's also laughing because my labels washed off when I was hardening the plants off and I have both "Bulgarian Carrot" peppers and "Tequila Sunrise" peppers... they look nearly identical and now I don't know what's where, so I'll be playing Capsicum Roulette come harvest time!) And I "only" planted sixteen eggplants, ten tomatoes, and who-knows-how-many beans, peas, cukes, zucchini, cauliflower, broccoli, lettuces, spinach, radishes, and chard... I planted so much in my raised and expanded beds this year that I decided herbs can grow just fine in the flower beds. I'm not sure if that's a form of denial, or a nod to French Potagers... (I'll probably claim the latter, but know secretly it's due to my lack of horticultural restraint.) I have several plants each of rosemary, thyme, sweet marjoram, basil, parsley, oregano, cilantro, dill, and mint (the mint lives in strictly-policed holeless, sunken pots). But I hardly grow any vegetables and herbs at all. I'm mostly a flower gardener... (sigh... restraint is for sissies...)...See MoreNew to Veg. Gardening, Preparing for Next Year
Comments (7)I put down cardboard (or newspaper at least 6 sheets thick and overlapping) and then mulch over that anytime during the year before the ground freezes. Then in the spring it is good for digging into. I have been doing this for years. I till pretty much the whole garden once a year, usually in spring to incorporate whatever grew and whatever I want to add (not much, usually). I only till about 3" deep, max. I have not had a big problem with weeds because a) I plant rather closely, kind of pushing the envelope in terms of spacing because I want the plants to shade out weeds and lessen the need for mulching and b) I hoe. Hoeing is not at all bad if you have a good hoe. I use a stirrup hoe. I actually enjoy cutting their little heads off.:) I don't use raised beds, either. To me that is just extra work and money. I use regular 4' wide rows with 18" between, each row having a double length of soaker hose. Works good for me, especially because my beds can follow the curves of the sun in my yard instead of being straight, but lots of people love those raised beds. Some people would object to my practice because I don't use a lot of mulch once the stuff is planted. I hoe instead ('dust mulch'). It depends on how much water is in the soil and what is growing there. I have a bed that is pretty dry with no mulch that works well because the plants there like that--they're mostly Artemisias, although I also have a bunch of peppers there that are doing well. Those I have mulched with composted manure. Then I have most of the veggies in beds very thickly planted that get a lot of water and no mulch because they don't need mulch--they create their own shade. I keep the space in between rows very small, like 12"-18". I have also tried living mulches, like letting wild portulaca grow and weeding out everything else in between my tomatoes. This worked pretty well, but I think it was actually more labor intensive than having no mulch at all, because I had to hand pull the weeds instead of hoeing. For watering, I use soaker hoses and water only in the early morning, so it has time to soak in before it gets hot and is wasted in evaporation. Yes, people say you have to cover them. I have never covered them and in my highest watering months I think my water bill has increased maybe five bucks. Covering them for me just gets in the way of hoeing.:) I have clay and I think it is great for growing. Everyone complains about it, but I have gardened in sand and I would take clay any day. Clay has tons of nutrients in it. As long as it doesn't get sopping or get hard on top, it is good to grow in, in my experience. I guess what you can use the city compost for would depend on what it was made of. It must be grass and yard waste, no? It might have broadleaf herbicides in it, which wouldn't be good for your garden. I usually get composted manure instead, although the local prison has a program where they give away compost made out of food scraps. I haven't gotten around to trying that yet, but you might see if your local prison, if you have one, has such a program. I think that would be quite safe and you sure can't beat the price. I know what you mean about next year. I am already planning my next-year garden. Definitely going to be more peppers!...See Morejonfrum
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