After the fruit start growing, I prefer a liquid fertilizer since I water my pots so frequently. I don't know how to gauge the pelletized fertilizers potency as time goes on with a daily watering schedule. I "feel" like I have better control with a liquid. I use Hasta-Gro 6-12-6 when I see fruit appear on the trees. I'm not sure any brand is better than any others. I have contemplated using a "superbloom" type product, however I've been trying to strike a balance between plant growth and fruit production. At the beginning of the season I mix a slow release 10-10-10 into the soil. It seems reasonable that it is exhausted in about 5-6 weeks when I see the fruit appear. There is nothing very scientific about my methods. I've had a couple of conversations with a guy at the Medina company and this seemed like the best start point from the information he gave me and the information I already had. I may try experimenting a little bit with a couple of trees next year. ~james

Happy days! My brugs (probably due to undepotting) just sit there, and my rugosa rose seems to be sulking, so it's good to hear others are having better luck! Jim

send mail to monis other at yahoo dot come of course, without spaces, and without the dot come part in the line. ;) I don't have a price on these. Please, make me a reasonable offer. But realize, you have to get it, or get someone to pick it up before next Wednesday. We are leaving on Wednesday, and the house has to be empty. Moni PS, I am in OKC, near 14th and Villa. new phone number nine 4 one nine 7 nine, 0 three, 0 two

Thank you, Sheila, for bringing back this discussion. And thank you, Kim and Jin for giving the backstory on Ping Dong Lui Ji and Isabella Ducrot. Funny story. Spring of 2018 I ordered Ivor's rose and Siren's Keep form Rose Petals Nursery. Instead of Ivor's Rose I was sent a rose that was allegedly Isabella Ducrot. I notified Rose Petals and they refunded my money, but I decided to plant ID in my one remaining tea spot and hope for the best. It took off from there and kept trying to bloom so it was hard to keep up with pinching off the buds. The several blooms that didn't get pinched were light pink/white and had a nice fragrance. This rose didn't look like ID pictures and didn't seem to grow like a tea. It went through winter and through winter/spring transition, when I tend to lose roses, without problems. It went through all the rain in the world this winter and early spring to no rain- around 2" from late spring through early fall and record high temps through Sept. and early October. Bugs were bad this spring and deer predation has been heavy because of the drought. Even though my roses are in protective wire cages, the deer ate anything they could reach. To add to problems, my mother was hospitalized, then in rehab and then stayed with us for a couple months. I wasn't able to spend the time on my garden that it needed. Through it all the Not-Isabella-Ducrot continued to grow, I don't know how well or even when it bloomed. I can tell you that it grew better than anything else out there and it needs a much bigger cage. It has been rudely healthy. It reminds me of Bermuda Spice which I also have, not because they look exactly alike, but because they have similar growth styles. I wondered if they were related? Anyway, thank you for the the name and the backstory. I never would have ordered this rose on my own but it's a gift I'm glad to get. FWIW anyone who can grow Spice can probably grow this rose. Also, I'd give it a try if I lived in 6b and had a spot where it was protected from the wind.