cover crop for help hard clay soil
iamtrying
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what is a good cover crop to improve clay soil??
Comments (4)Here is what worked for me. Start with leaf mold on top. Compost is nice if you have it. Some manure if you have it. Now start chopping and mixing and go as deep as you can. Mix in some more if you can. Now that will turn to mush when it rains and all the carbon you put in there will suck out all of the nitrogen for the next year, so plant something that does not need nitrogen. Clover and vetch are ok. If the soil looks yummy to you, consider beans. I would do beans because I like to eat my garden. But I have used each of the other too. Clover was very satisfying and easy. Then I would do garlic in fall and potatoes next year, all the while mulching and mixing and hilling. That will be GREAT soil by midsummer next year. Enjoy....See MoreCover Crops Basics for Dense Clay around background orchard
Comments (5)Thanks to both of you for chiming in. It's fun to learn this stuff. Sometimes I feel like coming to Gardenweb is like a mini-master gardener series. Kimmsr, the Davis stuff is cool, but are there any other good sources for layperson/homeowners in a densely planted home garden space? Mackel, I wouldn't have thought to plant other edibles but may try it (especially since it's still raining today in Northern California and will continue all this week. Ugh.) Most of my edibles are in 2' deep raised wooden beds because nothing grows really well in that native soil. Last year I tried pumpkins in the clay (I think they're pretty similar to watermelon) and they were very weak, small plants that complained if they didn't get a steady stream of water.) I might try that. They might do better, also, if I just sowed them directly in to the soil and see what comes up (rather than planting seedlings like I did last year.) -KM...See Morehard clay soil
Comments (5)The solution to bad soil is raised beds filled with good soil. If this isn't appropriate for your planting then the next best solution for clay is an organic mulch. The reason your clay soil gets rock hard is it is clay. Dry clay and it gets rocklike. Dry it further and it pulls in on itself and cracks. It is then resistant to water which means you have to slow soak your beds to water them. Fertilizer spread on the surface just runs off. If your soil is also sodic then you also get plate like hard surface layers which are light in color. These have to be broken up manually or plants can't grow through them and oxygen, water and nutrients can't either. If you mulch the beds then the clay soil never gets completely dry and therefore never gets rock hard and resistant to water. It doesn't form cracks and the surface plate never forms. By all means keep adding the compost, inches at a time. But an organic mulch will finish things and tame the clay and make it a decent growing medium. I like small wood pieces, but hay, straw, newspaper, shredded leaves and many other materials work too....See MoreNative groundcover for hard clay soil
Comments (7)Hello Silent C ......................................................................................................................................................................................... You are right to be concerned about erosion given the slope is 35 degrees. .......................................................................................................................................................................................... How much catchment area do you have leading to the slope (What is the area of land from which water will flow onto the slope?) ................................................................................................................................................................................. ........ This will determune how deep stormwater flows over the slope. The deeper the flow, the more erosion you will get. If it is only a few millimetres, you have nothing to worry about. Once it gets to a few centimetres, you will start having problems. If it is deeper than that, you can expect that the clay you dig up will start to be washed away along with any mulch. ................................................................................................................................................................................. .......... If you have a lot of water wanting to flow down the slope, and your plants are not giving you complete coverage, your best bet would be to have a table drain along the top of the slope to divert it away - prevent much from flowing down the slope. The log you envisage having there could help with that. It would be good if you could capture at least some of that water in a dam or tank or on-site detention storage that you could use to trickle feed water over the slope later to irrigate your plants. ................................................................................................................................................................................. ........... Otherwise maybe you could try groundcover plants such as Lomandra. I actually think if you are going to tamper with the surface, add topsoil etc., a hardy grass that can give complete coverage would be the best for preventing erosion in your situation (if you can find one). ................................................................................................................................................................................. ............. Best of luck, Frank....See Moreaztomn
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