This forum reminds me of playing the old game "Telephone", where you whisper something to the person behind you, they repeat it to the person behind them, etc., until you get to the last person who relates the message and you discover that low and behold! It bears no resemblence to what it started out to be. Gardenweb is supposed to be a seed trading site. TRADING. What will happen when the people who want things for free are more numerous than those who are looking to trade? I know a lot of people who have left GW, pulled their lists, because they don't see it as a viable trading source anymore. People join and post for SASBE the very first day, and you can pretty much bet that many of them will never come back, never offer seeds they have collected (though they may 'generously' give away extras they got from others), unless they are looking for another item they don't want to buy. It's easy to be generous when you have not spent a dime, put in a minute's work, for what you have gotten. And I think that because there are so many SASBE offers, people take the value of the seeds for granted. I could use some minor repairs on my car, some shingles redone on my roof, a bit of legal advice for my son, but I don't expect others to give it to me for free. But when it comes to seeds and plants, it's all fair game--ask for and grab as much as you can. This has nothing to do with generosity. I have sent out easily 60 SASBEs this season compared with only about 12 trades, including to a woman who sent me her SASBE stamped with the name of her law firm (she is senior partner). My husband has been unemployed for the past 6 weeks. People don't need seeds of rare ornamental plants to live, or feed their family, yet I get asked for them all the time because they are costly. Some of these seeds I have collected from plants that were expensive for me to buy, that I have taken the time and care to grow, that I have monitored the pods for days if not weeks to collect them at the exact time they are ripe, that I have cold stratified to keep them viable--in other words, they are a lot of work. Yet they are devalued by people who don't realize or care how much I have put into them. Back in the 'old days' of GW, people joined with the few seeds they had, traded, built up their lists, collected from the plants they grew from seed or purchased things to offer, and continued to build up their lists over the years. They realized that to get really rare or cool things they had to offer the same. There was a sense of accomplishment in that and a realization that what others posted for trade had value. Now there are people who have nothing to trade, but they want the best of the best seeds right away--no effort, no thought, and no sense of responsibility to other traders or to this site. As I said, I never meant this to be a thread against generosity.

Evening! I've updated the list :) ~~UPDATED~~~~~ Vitex: Purple Tall Blue Iris Euphorbia: Amiljassa Yarrow: Summer Wine~~OUT~~ Yarrow: Terra Cotta: 15 Hibiscus: Rose Mallow: 15 Rudbeckia: Indian Summer: ~~OUT~~ Nigella: Blue ~~OUT~~ Gaillardia: Mesa Yellow ~OUT~~ Reseda Ordorata: Mignonette Machet Tick- Trefoil Seeds: Pink Narrow Leaf Coneflower ~~OUT~~ Clematic: Jackmannii: ~~OUT~~ Rudbeckia: Cherokee Sunset ~~OUT~~ Asclepsia Incaranata: Cinderella: 3 Gaillardia: Fiesta Daisy: 5 Catchfly: Bright Fuschia ~~OUT~~ Bells of Ireland ~~OUT~~ Marigold: Janie Bright Yellow: 3 Poppy: Patty's Plum ~~OUT~~ Rudbeckia: Marmalade Pansy: Historic Florist ~~OUT~~ Viola: Tri-Color ~~OUT~~ Daisy: Crazy: 2 Daisy: Snowdrift Yarrow: King Edward Ornamental Cabbage ~~OUT~~ Silver Ghost: Giant Blue Sea Holly ~~OUT~~ Kettle Gourd Bushel Gourd ~~OUT~~ Yellow Grass Rudbeckia: Maya ~~OUT~~ Chrysanthemum: Bridal Robe Oriental Poppy: Prince of Orange ~~OUT~~ Siberian Wallflower ~~OUT~~ Gaillardia: Gold Goblin Blackberry Lily: Orange Yarrow: Pomegranate ~~OUT~~ Anthemis Tinctora: 1 Ligularia Dentata: Golden Ray ~~OUT~~ Oriental Poppy: Brilliant Red ~~OUT~~ Rose Of Sharon: Purple ~~OUT~~ Gaillardia: Yellow Sunshine ~~OUT~~ Salvia Splendens: Sizzler Red Stripe ~~OUT~~ Gaillardia: Arizona Sun Mizuna: Red Streaks ~~OUT~~ Yellow Trumpet Morning Glory Castilleja Coccinea Rudbeckia: Sputnik ~~OUT~~ Peas: Melting Snow: Sugar Hosta: Lemon Lime ~~OUT~~ Purple Pole Beans ~~OUT~~ Sm. Ornamental Gourd Globe Thistle ~~OUT~~ Purple Love Grass Tomato: Eva Purple Bay ~~OUT~~ Black Diamond Watermelon Lettuce: Simpson Elite Swiss Chard: Rainbow Mix Lettuce: Black Seeded Simpson Pumpkin: Triple Treat X-Large Orange Pumpkin Japanese Parsley: Mashimori Cabbage: Golden Acres Short Snap Pole Beans Watermelon: Orange-GLO ~~OUT~~ Pumpkin: Freaky Tom Tendergreen Mustard ~~OUT~~ German Statice Potentilla: Molten Fire ~~OUT~~ Penstemon: Firecracker Red ~~OUT~~ Dianthus: Black Magic ~~OUT~~ Mexican Hats Trumpet Lily: Black Dragon ~~OUT~~ Petunia: Titan Salmon Dianthus: Rainbow Lovliness Lettuce: Red Romaine Popcorn: Strawberry ~~OUT~~ Italian Borlotti Beans ~~OUT~~ Cucumber: Lemon Carrot: Nantes Coreless Gourmet Mix Lettuce Pea: Oregon: Sugar Pod II Columbine: Mixed Bonnets ~~OUT~~ Blackberry Lily: Mellow Yellow ~~OUT~~ Allium: Purple Sensation Snap Peas: Sugar Ann ~~OUT~~ Tansy: Purple Rudbeckia: Goldilocks ~~OUT~~ Poppy: Lauren's Grape Poppy: Flemish Antique ~~OUT~~ Poppy: Lilac Pom Pom ~~OUT~~ Pink Speria Poppy: Danish Flag ~~OUT~~ Milimus Pictus ~~OUT~~ Clematis: Rouguchi ~~OUT~~ Lilac: Lycianthes Guichenisis Rudbeckia: Sundance ~~OUT~~ Cucumber: Lemon Apple ~~OUT~~ Squash: Scallop Bush: Pan Gaillardia: NOID ~~OUT~~ Geum: Mrs. Bradshaw ~~OUT~~ Cypress Vine: Red Select Pepper: Mini Bell Chocolate ~~OUT~~ Pepper: Purple Beauty ~~OUT~~ Tomato: Black Krim ~~OUT~~ Sweet Red Pepper ~~OUT~~ Chile: Thai Dragon Tomato: Moonglow ~~OUT~~ Gypsophilia: Covent Gardens~~OUT~~ Yellow Loosestrife ~~OUT~~ Verbena: Romance Scarlet Dianthus: Telstar Carmine Rose Gaillardia Pink Cordyalis ~~OUT~~ Nicandra Orange Blackberry Lily ~~OUT~~ Leek: American Flag Marigold: Orange Yarrow: Apple Blossom ~~OUT~~ Purple Passiflora ~~OUT~~ Pansy: Swiss Giant Blend Viola: Bowles Black: ~~OUT~~ Columbine: Sunburst Ruby ~~OUT~~ Marigold: French Dwarf Marigold: Queen Sophia Lettuce: Spicy Gourmet Mix Love In A Mist: Persian Jewels ~~OUT~~ Poor Man's Saffron Agastache: Raspberry Daqueri ~~OUT~~ Rock Soapwort Yarrow: Strawberry Seduction Love In A Mist: African Bride ~~OUT~~ Love In A Mist: Mulberry Rose ~~OUT~~ Arkwrights Campion ~~OUT~~ Yarrow: Moonshine Golden Nipplefruit ~~OUT~~ Tansy: Fiddleneck: Purple Poppy: California Mix Fresh from my garden this fall: Columbine: Leprechaun Dianthus: Siberian Blues I've emailed back everyone that's posted so far. Off to a terrific start. Still looking for some trades :) Talk to you later! vina

I wish I had more to offer in a trade. I have some mixed daylilly seeds, pumpkin seeds and lettuce. I can SASBE for any of the below you wish to share or I can send for them in a trade. I only have a few daylilly seeds. thanks! Karen GW karendee Any of the below off your list would be great! Â Charentais Melon 6 seeds RIT 2008 Â Coreopsis Lance Leaved 2007 RIT 2009 Â Coreopsis Moon Beam 2007 RIT 2009 Â Egg Plant Red China 2007 RIT 2009 RR Â Tomato 'Golden Jubilee' heirloom commercial 2007 8 seeds RIT 2009 RR Â Tomato 'Rutgers' (heirloom) commerical 2007 8 seeds RIT 2009 RR Â Tomato Sweetie(heirloom)(small tomato) RIT 2008 Â Tomato Burpee's Big Boy Hybrid commercial seeds RIT 2008 Â Tomato Burpee's Steak Sandwhich Hybrid commercial pack RIT 2008 Â Tomato Murray Smith RIT 2008 Â Watermelon Red Black Diamond 2008 Â Zuchinni Squash Black Beauty RIT 2008 Â Zuchinni Golden RIT 2008

I have not been on here recently due to illness and Christmas chaos. I am starting to do better, and want to pick up where I left off. I have been furiously filling seed packs (one can do that while laid up), and am almost ready to do a mailing. I will be taking up the offers of respondents here. **REMEMBER** If you, or someone you know, is in need, please contact me for a Care Package. The best way is directly at Robin282mt@verizon.net Thanks so much to all of you, Robin