Hey All, FYI, I am one of the very first, organic landscapers in NJ. I started many years before lots of these great products were patented. The down side to organics is the sheer volume needed to compete start an organic program. Of course, over time you will need less and less if done properly. As for corn gluten, it should be put down around the time the forsythias are blooming to treat dandelions, crabgrass, and other annual weeds, and then again in the early fall for those fall weeds. Here is a link that might be useful: Organic Landscape & Design

Sorry for the double post...the first one did not show up until I posted the second one.

This is the sort of discussion you wish never got started. Howard Garrett is the biggest proponent of using CGM as weed control, so the number of Dallas area writers on this message does not surprise me. Garrett is also the only one I've heard distinguish between CGM and CGF. He makes a pretty big deal out of it, too. Could it be that corn gluten feed is a mix of corn gluten meal and something else??? Maybe molasses is used to sweeten it for the cattle? Maybe ordinary corn meal is added to dilute the product? I would be surprised if there were major differences between CGM and corn gluten feed. The corn industry is very sophisticated, but I don't think they can carve "feed" off of the corn gluten particles. That really sounds like something done at local feed mills. What scares me is that I agree with Linda Chalker-Scott about this. She must be getting smarter ;-)

Pulling weeds :-) I may use grass b gone for some Bermuda that has invaded from the neighbor, once it starts growing. I'm not a neat gardener in the sense that I always have some weeds that I just tolerate. I do try to get out there after a rain and have a long pulling session, but we'd actually need some rain to do that! I was not consistent enough with the CGM to tell if it was effective and I always think that I *may want to plant seeds and it will keep them from germinating.