how to kill a GIANT mint bed
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New garden bed - Round up to kill the grass ok?
Comments (35)I really should take the high road. I should. I personally hate the company, but the product is useful. A perfect world it is not. Since everyone else seems averse to actually posting links I will do a few for those interested in the toxicology of Round Up. You will see wild claims but rarely in a scientific white paper by a credentialed professional in the matter. I personally fight for organics and sustainability. I purchase organic food when I can't grow enough of my own, I don't buy or eat feed lot beef etc. Here are some great links First I like Wiki- Sources are noted, and where they are not noted for statements you will seethe (citations needed) instead of the resource number. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2007/03/roundup-is-safe.html "TOXICITY REVIEW Acute (Mammalian) Glyphosate has reported oral LD5Os of 4,320 and 5,600 mg/kg in male and female rats (15,4). The oral LD5Os of the two major glyphosate products Rodeo and Roundup are 5,000 and 5,400 mg/kg in the rat (15). A dermal LD5O of 7,940 mg/kg has been determined in rabbits (15,4). There are reports of mild dermal irritation in rabbits (6), moderate eye irritation in rabbits (7), and possible phototoxicity in humans (9). The product involved in the phototoxicity study was Tumbleweed marketed by Murphys Limited UK (9). Maibach (1986) investigated the irritant and the photo irritant responses in individuals exposed to Roundup (41% glyphosate, water, and surfactant); Pinesol liquid, Johnson Baby Shampoo, and Ivory Liquid dishwashing detergent. The conclusion drawn was that glyphosate has less irritant potential than the Pinesol or the Ivory dishwashing liquid (120). Metabolism Elimination of glyphosate is rapid and very little of the material is metabolized (6,106). Subchronic/Chronic Studies (Mammalian) In subchronic tests, glyphosate was administered in the diet to dogs and rats at 200, 600, and 2,000 ppm for 90 days. A variety of toxicological endpoints were evaluated with no significant abnormalities reported (15,10). In other subchronic tests, rats received 0, 1,000, 5,000, or 20,000 ppm (57, 286, 1143 mg/kg) in the diet for 3 months. The no observable adverse effect level (NOAEL) was 20,000 ppm (1,143 mg/kg) (115). In the one year oral dog study, dogs received 20, 100, and 500 mg/kg/day. The no observable effect level (NOEL) was 500 mg/kg (116)." http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/actives/glyphosa.htm The theme here is. Don't ingest it. (would you ingest fish fertilizer? I got food poisoning from it once as a kid because I didn't wash my hands after handling...not pleasant) Again Don't drink it, don't spray it in your eyes, don't Walk around barefoot while it is wet or spray it on your skin. The best method is in a pump up sprayer on a calm day to minimize drift. I adjust the nozzle for a course spray, not atomizing the fluid like I would for foliar feeding. This prevents drift and forces the fluid to go on the target and not into the air where you can breath it, get it into your eyes or on your skin or have unintentional drift. Care when applying is all that is needed. Once the treatment area is dry it is safe to enter and work around. My occupation is a Safety Professional. By reviewing the MSDS if I was to have an employee applying this material for me I would require long pants and shoes and Rubber or other light chemical resistant gloves and goggles while pouring or transferring it but not necessarily for the application.. The reason I would recommend this is that is the recommendation of the msds http://www.kellysolutions.com/erenewals/documentsubmit/KellyData%5CNC%5Cpesticide%5CMSDS%5C74530%5C74530-4%5C74530-4_GLYPHOSATE_41__11_30_2006_4_57_38_PM.pdf And the fully formulated MSDS http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Monsanto-Roundup-MSDS-Docs7017.htm Recognizing, controlling protecting from and eliminating hazards are what I do for a living. I would follow the manufacturers instructions and recommend anyone do the same. To put this into perspective you will be exposed to between 100 and 200 PPM of benzene the next time you fill your fuel tank at the self service pump. If you can smell gas, you are being exposed. The Occupational action level where mitigation is required is 1 PPM. A person can apply round up and not be exposed to any substances listed as hazardous with a Threshold limit value by the American council if industrial hygienist or a Permissible exposure limit by OSHA. Get this. Alaska fish fertilizer has phosphoric acid that does have a PEL and TLV. http://www.growercentral.com/UPLOADS/PDFS/alaska%20fish%20fertilizer%205-1-1%20msds%20(02-05).pdf EMERGENCY OVERVIEW: Potential Health Effects: Primary Entry Routes: Eyes, skin, ingestion. Target Organs: Eyes, skin, gastrointestinal tract. Acute Effects: Eye: May cause irritation, redness and/or burning. Skin: May cause irritation, redness and/or burning. Ingestion: May be harmful if swallowed. May cause abdominal cramps, nausea, vomiting and/or diarrhea. Medical Conditions Aggravated by Long-Term Exposure: Persons with existing skin lesions should exercise caution when using or handling this product. Chronic Effects: Prolonged skin contact may cause dermatitis. I am not going to quit using Alaska Fish fertilizer either nor am I giving up fueling my vehicles. I would post opposing views but the first one I opened Had a Trojan horse so if you are going to be searching for counterpoints do not open The link from naturescountrystore.com!!! It's infected with a trojan horse....See MoreHow do I kill a large tree??
Comments (30)Jellyman & harvestman are onto it. I've been killing black walnuts on my farm for the last two years. Not a lot of them but perhaps two dozen...alongwith hackberrys, box alders,and ashes. If there is a misshapen BW near where I want to put an apple....the BW dies. I have used both methods mentioned....girdling & boring (and a third, 'hack & squirt' ... opening up the bark with a hatchet and squirting in a herbicide.) I've only used 41% Round-Up undiluted. It will kill the tree within a month. For me I use a 3/8" drill bit and drilled holes, one on each side.....downward angle for about 2 1/2 to 3"...then filled the hole with the 41%RU. Crossbow & Garlon are effective also, however, I have not used them. I've done this in July and it kills the tree. Girdling will kill the tree, but slower...it may take a year to die. I think given your sense of diplomacy with the neighbors the drill method would suit you just fine. There are lengthy discussions on killing big trees in the 'Habitat' forums on the website for QDMA. Quality Deer Management Association www.QDMA.com...See MoreWhat are these and how do I kill them?
Comments (8)Those are Giant White Flies, a terrible pest we have here in S. California, serge. They have particular plant favorites - hibiscus, canna, xylosma. So much so, many S. California gardeners have refused to plant those 3 above plants, for fear of harboring Giant White Fly in their yards. They are extremely difficult to eradicate. Here is some information on them, and how to manage them in your yard. I would also talk with your local Master Gardeners and better garden center on tips on management. Sorry, Steve, this is not a harmless pest for us in S. California, and what you have may not be what we have here in S. California. Better to try to avoid insecticides, as they can also kill beneficials, such as lace wing, lady beetles, syrphid flies, and parasitic wasps. Try removing infested leaves, look under leaves for the distinctive concentric white whorls of eggs. Wash those off with water and insecticidal soap (in the evening, to help protect certain beneficials). Remove leaf droppings, and apply worm castings to help affected plants recover faster. There is a product called Naturalus T & O that is organic, and supposed to be very effective, but it is rather expensive. Some folks have even resorted to vacuuming up large amounts of adults, to reduce adult populations. You can also try Neem oil to smother the nymphs, although I am not sure of the efficacy. It certainly won't hurt, as long as you apply in the evening, and temps are below 85 degrees. This is the season to see adults massing to lay eggs, so you're catching the infestation at a good time. I would start searching your yard to see if you have infestations in the more preferred plants, and start your clean up, there. Patty S. Here is a link that might be useful: UC IPM: Giant White Fly...See MoreDoes Mint Trump Everything?
Comments (31)I do a quickie version of mint limeade using limeade concentrate that I throw into the blender with a good, tall stalk of spearmint. Like no-alcohol mojitos. Love it. Never used a recipe for lemonade or limeade, myself-- details like when to add the sugar don't seem to matter much. You just have to stir a little more if you add sugar instead of simple syrup. But if you make a simple syrup with the mint, you can store the extra in the fridge for a while. Everyone has different tastes-- some like it sweeter or more sour, stronger or weaker. Just start with some of your juice and add a little of this and a little of that till it tastes good to you. It's hard to mess it up. I have a massive crop of banana mint right now-- banana mint limeade, anyone?...See Moreguavalane
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