Hi Jaynine- Well, I 'thought' I had a lot of zinnias... I actually just bought the Highlights this year, so haven't got those available for trade I might have a California Giant Pink, but I know it doesn't say "Lady" on it. The Old Mexicos are taller than the Aztecs...so I guess while those ARE close, I'll pass for now. If I change my mind, I'll definitely look you up. Thanks!

i can offer any of these veggies to trade. plus some yellow tomatoe seeds.... # california wonder green pepper # big dipper green pepper # iceburg lettuce # cabbage late flat dutch # honeydew cool green # okra clemson spineless # long island brussel sprouts # broccoli waltham 29

I would be interested in any of these Brandy boy, Neves Azorean red, red robin, Arbuznyi, black from Tula, KBX, blueberry, bloody butcher, ananas noire, belmonte, trip l crop I have Shasta daisy, gaillarda Indian blanket, columbines, marigolds several different, zinnias several different, hollyhock black, coneflower, black eyed Susans This post was edited by sdambr on Fri, Sep 5, 14 at 10:15

I'm almost afraid to ask, but are you feeling personally abused or persecuted, ghoghunter, or are you speaking for others? I can't help but wonder (I hope I'm paranoid) that your words are some sort of veiled criticism of me and Trey's thread on feeders versus hummingbird plants? I hope not, but I know you were involved in that discussion, and there was some unpleasantness. However, I did feel we got past that, and a lot of useful things were said. When someone on this forum says something I don't like, or seems hypercritical of me or another person, I just come right back and state my objection. I really do try to see if I've been unfair, and look at the situation from the other person's perspective. I can think of three occasions in the past year when I was personally involved in some unpleasant discussions on this forum. On a couple of occasions, I felt I was defending others, on another I was definitely the victim of unfair criticism. As far as I know, the discussions continued, resolved themselves, and there were no hard feelings--at least, I hope not. Way more often, though, I've been involved in positive exchanges of useful information, enjoyed beautiful photographs, humorous stories, etc. I guess I can't really argue with personal choice, and it's certainly a person's right to drop out, but if people are dropping out over being "screamed at," that's definitely a sad issue that should be addressed. Overwhelmingly, though, it seems to me that the exchanges on this forum have been useful, positive, and affirming. But hey, negative exchanges are an inevitable part of communication, too. Maybe some day I'll feel so upset that I'll want to drop out, but I hope I will have the presence of mind to move on to a different thread, or start a new and more positive one. If I feel really bad, I could take a brief break, lick my wounds, and return. Another reason I might drop out is from boredom. I don't mean that in a snotty way at all, but as one spends more time on the forum, certain subjects will tend to repeat themselves. Or, I may feel I've said all I can, and drop out. Dropping out because of intimidation from others seems wrong. All I can say is that from the standpoint of interpersonal relations, I have never felt residual bitterness about anyone, here, and hope no one feels that way about me. To those mysterious, unnamed people who've dropped out, I hope you'll be back and contributing. Is this forum really such a negative place?