Ditto- But I'm just Mentioning my Perrinial Type Plants, that I have Kept Not just going for many yrs but Super Big in size as what they are from their Original warm yr round Orgins/County. I did it just as a Challange , Test to see and its worked and being Cheap . While saved the Money ( Ave $100) Rebuying them every year, I paid for it in Time and Effort .. and have you ever seen "Spikes" 4-5 ft Tall, like Mini Palm Trees? Or the same 5 ft tall Gerrainiums? or 6 ft accross Asparagus Plants? Not only blow the minds of Family and friends vistiing, but I bring one of them to our Annual-late Summer Garden show in town and have won an award every yr these past 5 yrs..Nobody has a Such Large ones as I have ! Especially all the Women & Pro's that have been doing Gardening alot longer than I have. I got One Pro Gardening Business doing the same now and they are catching up with the size of mine now! Went into their lace last Feb. and saw them in their Place/Atrium....selling for $100-$150 each! Germs 5x bigger than the usual $25 baskets with Stalks the size of Small Tree trunks! Takes Loopers to cut them or a hand saw! Just like Growing those 500-1,000 Lb Pumpkins! I grew them too for 5 yrs ! my Biggest was only 465 lbs..but started the Annual Largest Privately -Locally Grown Pumpkin contest in our town ! This Season? the Biggest was 678 lbs! by some 83 yr old Woman, that nursed it like it was one of her Grandkids, she said..! And since we're a Lake Resort town? The Great Pumpkin Boat Race was held this Yr for the 1st time too! 8 entered to win the $100 1st prize, $50/2nd and $25 for 3rd and Alot of Laughs! by the Jaycees! Special Prize ribbon went for the sexiest Owner- a 61 yr old former Playboy Bunny woman ( The Playboy Club Resort was in our town ), she did that job for its last 2 yrs in business here and She still looked GREAT in her Old Bunny Costume no less! Maybe she let out alittle In the Butt and alittle more support in the chest and wore a Wig, but her Bunny Tail & Ears were very cute & Sexy! ;-)

I'll keep it going for a bit to see what happens. but it'll be hard to send out seeds if I never get pods. really what's going on is I've come to realize I have 15 more plants than I can reasonably fit in my yard once they're all in their final pots (which is long overdue), and I'm trying to figure out which ones I'm gonna have to get rid of or find a new location for. the weird ones that don't produce pods are obvious candidates for the dumpster. Josh, unfortunately I couldn't get any to germinate. oh well. can't win them all. I still appreciate the effort.

I use Hazzard's Wholesale Seeds. Most seeds come in a minimum packet size of 250 seeds except some expensive hybrids that come in 100 seed packets. You can get better prices on the hybrids elsewhere, but for open pollinated tomato seeds you get 250 seeds (actually most packs have about 280 seeds) for about twice to three times the price of what other dealers would charge for 20 to 50 seeds. They sell 7000 varieties of flower and vegetable and herb seeds, and their catalog is about an inch thick, but no pretty pictures. Shipping is a flat $5.95. but once you order from them they will keep sending you free shipping offers. A lot of packets, but not all, have the germination test data on them, which very few other vendors provide. So if you are growing plants for sale and need a lot of seeds they are a good place to buy from, but if you are only going to start a couple of plants better to go to one of the retail vendors, even though your per seed price would be much higher. Shipping is very fast and so far they have had everything in stock, all my orders arrived in four to six business days from when I ordered the seeds.

Gardenho and Babs I'm getting seeds if I can't find the plants. In the back of my mind I thought I'd get both seeds and plants. I just thought I'd find them this year and then didn't. Cearbhaill glad that online has worked for you. I will definitely make use of your website for checking out online stores. Edenchild I have never traveled out of the country to buy plants. Other things yes but plants no. now there will be a trip in my future I wonder what my sister is doing next February :-). Perhaps going to Seattle? :-) DeannaToby thanks. Yes I am looking for baptisia Australis. It grew beautifully in my previous card in but I had to leave it behind:-(. I will definitely attempt to purchase it as local as possible when I do order plants thanks for the heads up on that! Interesting that you can't find peony itoh mazerolm where you are. Could it be they don't grow well in your zone? Or maybe it's more rare in general. I found a website about the difference between the 3 types of peonies. Now I want all three I do have the herbaceous peony. Now I want a tree peony and Itoh peony too. https://homeguides.sfgate.com/can-peonies-stand-alone-like-bush-68154.html rouge Splendide WHITE looks wonderful. I've never grown meadow rue though so don't know it's needs.Thanks again all.