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Sunny, HMF shows that Für Elise passed 2021 ADR General German Rose Novelty Trials.
We will have to tell Moses He loves AD or roses
I’d keep that plant , it is healthy and Mme Anisette is super vigorous. In a few months it’d be too large for its gallon. I would say that that is on the small side for what the current Heirloom sends out, but I’ve received even smaller from them before. Of course, you should do whatever makes you feel satisfied with your purchase.
I must say compared to what that one order that Garden Roses LLC sent out, these Heirloom Roses all look like giant sequoias! Lol!
The plant looks great to me. If it were mine, I’d plant it deeper when I put it in the ground, to the depth of the first branch. I’ve done it often and it works well. I know at least one of the nurseries I buy from recommends planting to the depth of the first branch.
Thank you Moses. Since you and the Rose geek seemed to really like her I also ordered 4 from home depot and I am so glad I did. I don’t mind the flat blooms even tho I do prefer chalice shaped ones like Earth Angel. Thank you for recommending Bliss I think she will be a favorite. Do you grow earth angel? Her blooms are gorgeous and the plant is healthy. I would recommend her grafted from palatine.
Lafter is definitely worth a look. Not fragrant to my nose, but bright, super healthy, and can get big
Sorry Vaporvac, just now seeing this thread...
I was checking out Flamenco Rosita on Helpmefind.com...
https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.40496.3&tab=1
Interesting rose but looks like it could grow to 10ft wide... lol..
Just so you know that Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA ....
But I can see why you love it Vaporvac....
I wish you the best Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA in deciding what you want... :-)
SO many roses to choose from....lol
I have two plants of it, bought as body bags from Walmart four or five years ago. It has good enough vigor and is pretty healthy here. The blooms are pretty and dramatically dark when they first open, and are very fragrant. But they fade to a greyish lavender and I can see how you'd find them depressing, Robert..they're kind of somber. But I find a number of lavenders and even mauves somber. Still I like them most of the time .
I took a picture of a group of them yesterday and will see if it's any good.
Just saw this thread. I have 2 Margo Koster coral colored roses that I have had for 30 or more years. They are my favorites of all of my roses!! We live in the MS delta & these are on my west side patio. Super east!
Gorgeous! I'm so glad this thread came back up. I also realized I never posted pictures of my GGF! Maybe I'll be all here I still have some on my phone
I didn’t get Ashley, and I hope yours makes it there healthy! These are WWII Memorial, Bolero, Ebb Tide, Ash Wednesday climber, and Nicole Carol Miller.
GRF mentioned “issues on growers end… delayed harvest.” This past winter we had an US warm winter, but then a cold snap across the nation-freezing temps for an unexoected week effecting many farmers crops! My roses had done well in the warm winter, but that whole week of surprise deep freezes set my roses back-loosing many black canes & new growth singed. I lost a rose to the freeze, also. I suspect that this week set back many rose growers.
Farming and selling roses is not a perfect science/business. Adjustments are sometimes necessary. Who knows with our climate and weather changes! Pretty amazing to plan around these challenges!
I'm still waiting on one of their exclusives, Ashley, a 2 gal grafted Tantau rose. Sigh. Diane
I really lie the color of Poet’s Wife. How does she hold up in heat, and do the blooms last long? At my local nursery, you can buy any Austin variety you’d like, so long as it’s Darcy Bussell.
Mine start out pinkish.
As I said last year, Top Cream immediately became one of my top 5! And I'm not even a white rose person!
Carla in Sac
I'll bet you're in San Jose, Andrea. That's one of the best spots in the US to grow roses. Cute Life of the Party (Huntington's 100th?).
I've got a ways to go for any blooms. Things are about average here right now. I can estimate better in April.
Beautiful Gloire de Dijon, Lilyfinch. Aw, it doesn't wish it was somewhere else. Diane
My first rose bloom this year is a Trader Joe mini
Its Julia Child and Scentimental trees, they spent some time in garage and always started first.
Echo, Scentimental is a very lovely rose, bit blooms last only a few days.
My new Heirloom Roses Earthsong planted May of 2023 here at my new house/location is getting leaves... No dieback over the winter...But I did prune just alittle off...
Sweet Delight this spring. She has a tropical-fruity fragrance that is unlike any other fruity-scented rose I’ve smelled. Not citrus-fruity. Definitely delicious!
@rosecanadian La Fountaine aux Perles is so much larger than i thought she would be. But she’s in a good spot so i dont have to move her thank goodness. Definite for a fragrance wishlist if they bring it back next year.
Sunny - and Sweet Delight's fragrance is ALWAYS there...it never takes a sick day. :) :) Yours is beautiful!! I adore the centers of LFaP. :) Gorgeous!!
Kristine - I can see this post. Are you trying to post pics?
Moses...keep us posted. :)
There’s no rhyme or reason to it ...but there are times it can be predicted:
If there are severely infected roses upwind, especially in late summer when the vector mite populations multiply exponentially (these have been counted by two different scientists in two non-adjacent states). your roses are then under increased disease pressure.
Couple the wind direction with the aerodynamics of your growing area: if the wind go whipping through a narrow walkway, the mites are less likely to be dropped on plants. The mites have NO wings, They depend on wind to move them and they are so small and light that they only drop where the wind slows (going over a wall, for example). Up against a wall that gets hit by wind.
You may also see something in Knock Outs that is really subtle: a slightly different shade of green on leaves. Not the chlorotic sickly green (that happens, too), but a different dark green. Sometimes that will stand out in a mass planting.
Ann
I don’t think it looks like it’s dying. Personally, I wouldn’t give it any more fertilizer just now. Just keep it moist and give it good sunshine and I think you’ll soon see new growth. It’s probably working at putting on root growth.
Be patient. Your rose may be growing some new roots like Judi says, and don't defoliate. It's helpful, if you have more rose growing questions, to let us know your cold hardiness zone and give us an idea of where you garden, and what your climate and growing conditions are like. That's just some advice and not an ethics discussion. Diane
I have not had issues with balling, I think my climate (hot summer mediterranean) is not so different from yours, but of course weather on specific days can be quite variable. In general I would not say this is a rose that tends to ball, petals are stiff and center is not super tight. I hope your future blooms clear up once your weather warms up (but then you will wish for rain!)
Seems someone at Houzz broke the styling, I see it too. It will probably be fixed soon once they realize what happened unless this was a misguided ’update’. Interestingly the usual lag I get when typing on my phone seems to be fixed though autocomplete is still borked as always.
Black button here on my windows 11 laptop
Oh, that's too bad. Luckily the JBs have not made it out here to the desert hills outside of Boise. Diane
Well, this has been an interesting ordeal for me for sure, this ordering with K and M Roses… so I tried on Friday to call Megan, who handles the orders, and wasn’t able to reach her. Tried again on Monday. Ditto. I thought, ok, I’m just about done trying. An hour later, Megan calls me back. I’ll spare you the details, but I’ll say this, in the end, she has bent over backward to help me. I can tell she felt bad for all the difficulty I’ve had trying to order with them. Pretty Jessica was my biggest reason for ordering from them and I really needed two. She could only find one, but she was determined and eventually found a very small second one that she is going to pamper and baby for me a few weeks before she sends them along with my Prospero and Tamora. Obviously, I don’t have my plants yet, so I can’t give a review on them, but I do feel very happy so far, even though it took three and a half weeks to get here!
That makes it unanimous so far, thanks both of you, because both my friend (hesitantly) and myself thought of the common Damask as well (but since I don't have much "hands-on" experience with the old European once-bloomers, I didn't want to be too confident). It has always seemed to me that Spain has the potential to be the location for many not only antique but also archaic, so to speak, old roses (I've come to call roses from before about 1790 as being of the Archaic Era in rose history); but I've never heard of there being an organized interest in Spain of old rose enthusiasts (I hope I'm wrong). With the convent gardens, the Moorish presence, the estates of the old aristocracy, the country being the hub of worldwide exploration for centuries--surely there are riches to be found there in roses and horticulture in general.
Late to the wake, and first how to tell a rose from a bramble: look at the base of the compound leaf. Roses have stipules which are two skinny little leave-like growths on opposite sides of the base of the compound leaf. Brambles don't have stipules.
Multiflora flowers are always surrounded by other multiflora flowers on the same stem; the petals are only white for a day before they start to die and turn brownish.
Now about your sick drift roses. If those were mine, I'd isolate them from my other roses immediately . When I look at roses, I want (ok, really I don't want) to see three symptoms. when I compare the leaf margins, when I look at the spacing of leaves on a cane (so dense that that's why the name rosette got applied) the slowness of the green pigment emerging.
That's three and that's just a start, One of the pix shows an almost circular distortion and that happens with RRD when one side of a stem is sickER and grows even faster than the other side.
But there's yet another thing: powdery mildew. Multiflora is famous and beloved for not getting powdery mildew. Even Epstein and Hill mention in their main RRD paper that multiflora with RRD also gets powdery mildew. Why? Don't know. But I do know my garden's susceptibility to PM (which is low except for years when we get a late freeze and the roses that survive that often have PM when they have never had it before). So when I see PM on a rose I look really hard to makes sure there are no other symptoms that I associate with RRd.
IS there a proven preventive solution? I don't know for sure.
I know air flow always drops mites in certain places- so don't replant where you've consistently lost roses to RRd.
Nature gives us thrips to destroy the beauty of rose petals. If we get lucky, the other kinds of thrips that are predaceous thrips will have populations that grow as their food source grows, and predaceous thrips will eat mites (size matters when you are searching for something slightly smaller than you are for food).
Try to figure out air flow. Look up wind for multiflora growing in untended fields or along highways that haven't been cut back and are about twenty years older (on at least one side).
Do you have other questions?
Have you read my ebook It's old-ish but it's based on years of my observations.
Ann
Artist - have you read Ann's ebook? She's our resident RRD guru. If you have a specific question, I'll get her attention back to here...but you should probably read her ebook first. :) :) I'm sorry you're going through this. It seems hopeless right now...but you'll move through this with a bit more knowledge. Hang in there. <3 <3
I am in the process of reading it.
Me again (the previous post-er) .... hope you can expand the picture to see the ingredients clearly. I was posting from my phone and it wasn't easy to manipulate or adjust (also explains the awkwardness of my first post above the picture)
This is the Kellogg brand product. It comes in the "plus" and "not plus" form. If you are interested in looking it up online.
I feel like it would make a nice component for a "recipe" for my container plants, but not sure how or what proportions.
Cuz I dunno much...!
I might prune Savannah down to the green and wait. If it all turns black, you really tried. Something can be happening below ground.
Going now, Sheila. She's just a few feet away.
If she somehow comes back, it would be a miracle. Don't you wish humans could regenerate like that? :)
While Dr. Huey is often the culprit when an unexpected red rose shows up, that seems unlikely here since the rose is from High Country Roses, a grower who doesn't use rootstock or offer Dr. Huey as a cultivar. They do stock several different single/semi-double red roses that I would consider as more likely options. It is not uncommon for a wrong ID rose to occur from time to time - I'm sure you'll hear from them shortly and they'll make it right.
Elestrial, if you plant your lavender in full sun, and in lean, super fast draining soil, and water sparingly after the first year, they will thrive for you. There are many newer varieties that seem to be improvements over the old English lavender, Lavendula augustifolia, especially a favorite of mine Lavender 'Hidcote'.
Lavender does not do well intermixed in roses, nor in front of them. Their cultural needs are directly opposite. Roses = rich, fertile soil and ample moisture; Lavender = lean, dry conditions with far less watering needs. Oh yes, Some roses can tolerate less than full sun, and some even do well with 4 hrs. or sunlight a day, but lavender needs full sun, minimum of 6 hrs. a day, and optimally from sunrise to sunset of full, unshaded sunlight.
A good substitute for lavender is catmint, of which there are many varieties of much improved traits over the old catmint. Another good lavender substitute is Hyssopus officinalis. This comes in blue or white. Both catmint and Hyssop (for short), are compatible with roses as to similar cultural needs, especially soil and moisture conditions.
Think 'Mediterranean,' growing conditions when you think of lavender: hot, sunny, and dry. Think English countryside when you think catmint and hyssop.
There are many other Hyssop species/varieties other than Hyssopus officinalis, I am not referring to them at all as lavender substitutes, for they look nothing like lavender.
Moses
That’s close for me!