Interesting recent development, as i have wondered how these sellers bluntly sell roses under patent ptotection. I think it is easy to prove there is patent infringement and copyright /trademark violation on DA roses, but i assurm they can continue to sell other roses from Europe and Asia if the rose doesn’t have active US patent?

Fryers has made amazing contributions.

Patent offenses are not a crime ie. criminal offense. They are a civil offense. It can become a crime if they do not follow the federal courts in civil matters once a matter is entered into the system. AKA Don't p*** off the judge.

This needs clarity because calling someone criminal should be meaningful. It is also important because when something becomes a criminal matter, it is much more difficult to gain back any financial losses from the patent infringement. AKA It's hard to squeeze money out of a stone. Court ordered payments are much preferred in the business world $_$

"These sellers are all illegitimte." Our fellow forum member, seasiderooftop took action ; you have to go to find her/his post on the "Etsy roses we can trust" thread in order to view Wabara's reply (I couldn't cut-and-paste it here, but here is seaside's post (from 11 days ago), and a link to the thread.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6421437/etsy-roses-sellers-we-can-trust#n=250

From seasiderooftop:

"Dear all,

I am going to post this here and in the other thread so everything is clear for everyone.

I reached out to WABARA (Keiji roses).

I copy pasted the list of sellers that appears in the "Etsy rose sellers we can trust" thread and asked Wabara if any of these are authorized resellers paying their royalties .

Below is the reply from Wabara.

I could not find an email address for Kawamoto , so I sent them an actual letter. I suspect their reply will be the same.

The controversy should never have existed, since it is easy to find out the truth. These sellers are all illegitimate. If you want to continue in spite of this information, that's on you.

The good news is that there may soon be a legit way to get Wabara roses."

I think I’ve told my story before:

My parents moved from NYC to Maryland when I was 8, and we had some land and started our first garden. One of their first purchases was a Miss All-American Beauty planted right outside the front door, so that was our very first rose. On my birthday I chose a Blossomtime, so that was my personal first. My parents have lived all over the world since then (Dad was a diplomat), but when they finally retired to California many decades later, they purchased a Miss AAB again and planted outside their front door. Coincidentally, my brother purchased a house that already had a Miss AAB near the front , too. When I moved to California, I took my Miss AAB with me, and planted outside the front of my door. This year, Burling sent me a Blossomtime, so I’ve come full circle with my first roses. Blossomtime has a distinct heady scent in my memory, so I’m very much looking forward to a bloom.

Miss AAB outside my current house

So, what is your story?

After my son died two years ago, I bought Wollerton Old Hall and started a rose garden in his memory.

Over here in Europe, the emerging trend is for "bee-friendly" gardens, and the roses that are marketed as such. This means fewer petals, maybe not single but with less petals than the previous extremely double style, and an open form with visible, plentiful stamens easily accessible to pollinators.

Obviously, bee-friendly also means highly resistant, which reflects another trend: nobody wants to have to spray anymore.

A third trend here is directly correlated with ever-increasing urbanization in Europe : people are living in apartments or houses with smaller gardens, so smaller sized roses are trending as well.