Gorgeous pictures of Louise and friends! I've never found Louise as anything but own root and she's a little reluctant to survive our winters own root, or at least she was before we moved to zone 6a. Your pictures make me want to try her again. Is Heirloom still selling Clements roses?

Speaking of own root mmmm, I haven't found White Licorice to be all that hardy on own roots and I tried several times. I also haven't tried Chantilly Cream but since she's available grafted that would be more likely to survive my zone 5 winters. FWIW...

Cynthia

Cynthia my Louise C came from Heirloom. You can search their Web site or there’s a specific category for the Clements roses under “Heirloom’s own” I believe.

Cynthia - yeah, my White Licorice died on me twice over winter in the garage. But I keep getting it, because I love it SO much! This past winter I had it in the garage right up next to the house...and it survived. :) :)

One other thing I do when I plant bare roots or replant band pots to grow from the summer is to include a tablespoon or so of moisture crystals (like Soil Moist) to hold water in between regular watering. It turns into nuggets of gelatin type material when wet and doesn't provide any artificial fertilizer that would not be recommended for new plantings.

I plant a lot of roses so I buy this bulk from Watersorb online (great company and very reliable) but if you only have a few roses most any garden store will stock soil moist. You can also buy the moisture control Miracle Gro potting soil but that has fertilizer in it and I prefer to know how much moisture crystal is in a given pot.

Cynthia

I have used the Miracle Gro potting soil (regular, not with the crystals) because it's pretty hard to find a local source of decent potting soil of other sorts. I don't grow roses to keep in pots other than temporarily so I don't have an opinion about it long term. In the short term it can be fine, but you're not supposed to fertilize new bare roots for 6-12 months so I try to avoid the ones with fertilizer built in when I can. Having said this, the ones I potted up temporarily last year did as well as the ones I planted in potting mix without fertilizer, but it's not generally recommended to have that fertilizer for new bare roots.

For amounts, I put a tablespoon or so into a 5-gallon bucket temporarily so you might use a couple in a 20 gallon bucket. There are some controversial posts about Soil Moist and potted roses (Quest-Rison is one that comes to mind), but there's a variety of opinions about anything else involving roses too. There are different results of planting with Soil Moist in the ground vs. in pots, and the pots are the ones more likely to benefit from the extra moisture. I'm sure people in your zone may have more opinions about this, but in my zone and yard it hasn't had any adverse effect that I can tell and has absolutely helped roses survive my summer with scant rain.

Cynthia

I think the most import thing you can do is to keep the bud union and lower part of the canes covered with loose soil or mulch, that’s where the dessication is most likely. Make a collar (out of cardboard, or a small pot with bottom cut out) , put it around the bud union, put soil in it. I have bought many bare roots in late spring or early summer in hot climates and got them through this way.

I usually cut the canes short too. It seems barbaric, but it’s relatively less above ground growth for those dormant roots to support.

Thanks Ben and Desertsilver!

Ben, this is the dissection point, right? Making sure I understood what you said correctly. - So this is the section I need to cover using the method you said?

I love the whole Peace family but have been unsuccessful overwintering them till I started buying them grafted. With your more consistent snow cover your results might be better, but I only now have a surviving Enchanted Peace that I wintered over in a pot that is now settled into my yard.

Other roses that have that exquisite pink/yellow combination are Love and Peace, or Dream Come True. Both do better for me grafted, as is true of many HTs.

Great pictures!

Cynthia

Pink rose, thanks! Did you take any pics?

l tried looking in my phone but couldnt find any pics !

I don't think Felix Leclerc is thornless but it's an absolutely gorgeous, hardy and reliable rebloomer once established. I grew it as a very tall sort of free standing bush, and now that I'm replanting it I'm putting it nearer the fence so it can lean with a little support or climb if it wants to. I highly highly recommend it, but I don't think it's technically thornless. It's certainly not a fit for a place that needs a small rose, nor is Victorian Memory that is a climber. I have yet to get Victorian Memory to overwinter for me, even though it's rated to zone 3, but I think it wants to grow more in a pot before I put it in the ground. This year is my year.

Belinda's Dream for me is much more reliable and hardy than Belinda's Blush. Belinda's Dream will take any harsh winter and laugh it off, and can get 4-5' tall. It might be relatively narrow but it's not small. Belinda's Blush hasn't survived even in a protected spot, so I'm trying to do the same of growing it in a pot before planting to see if it will survive.

I can't attest to the thorniness of any of the above as I haven't really noticed. I just presume I'm dealing with live barbed wire unless convinced otherwise.

Cynthia

Mmm, have you looked at President Shanley or Hera's song? I don't think either of mine have thorns but I'll double check

Mmm, have you looked at President Shanley or Heras

Magpie, I really wanted to see President Shanley but there are none at the High Country Roses green house that I could find to see. Sam in CO said it does great for her as a cane hardy rose.

I tried to look at Hera's Song at the greenhouse but the plants were small with no flowers.

President Shanley and Hera's Song were both candidates if we put in a new bed out front of the house. We haven't decided on that yet but I wanted to be prepared in case we did.

I was trying to find an old post and saw that last you you bought Sparkle and Shine. How did that do for you over the winter? Matt recommended it to me as one that would be cane hardy here. I really liked its scent so it is a candidate for my rock bed. Any pics of it during the growing season?

The alternative for that spot is likely Enchanted Peace but there is very little info on it.

We have plenty of hot and dry so most of my white whales like wet and cool conditions:

- primrose

- lobelia

- trillium

- corydalis

- delphinium AND larkspur (can't get that started)

- sweet peas

- Toad lilies

I used to lament that I couldn't grow Morning Glory until I found a lovely dark purple Grandpa Ott's that took over my entire wall of fence meant for climbing roses. I finally figured out why no one grows it in any spot where another plant needs to be because it reseeds relentlessly once established. When I had to dig out all the climbing roses I also ruthlessly picked the germinating seeds of the morning glory. Never again - it gets ratty after about noon and I'm rarely in the garden before noon so only my neighbors enjoyed it looking nice.

Rosecanadian, I have a clematis that I guarantee you can grow in your yard but you don't want it. I have no idea what variety it is any more but I seem to remember it had scruffy little pink flowers. I long since dug up the parent plant but it put out seedlings into the lawn and all over other beds. Mowing it weekly for 8 years has failed to kill it so I'm reduced to digging and/or poison. it's not sweet autumn clematis which is also a thug and no longer in my garden. It's lovely in fall but again reseeds relentlessly. I had it in my old house and resolved never to plant it here. Seeds have blown in from a yard at least 4 houses away and it has spontaneously come up in at least 3 spots of my yard. Never again on either.

Cynthia

Forever - oh, thanks for explaining. :) :)

Nollie - lol :)

Cynthia, I have tried toad lilies, primrose and lobelia and they don't do well here either. And I have zone 6b conditions - winters, clay soil, full shade and part shade. I continue to think that I have very dry conditions, dryer than others in our area, due to all the mature trees in my neighbors' yards up against my lot line. That's the only reason I can come up with that I plant them and they disappear. Although I still have a couple of toad lilies but they have never bloomed in a decade.

Thank you very much, Kathy, for proving my point about rare roses in the US. I've been trying to convey this for weeks.

I actually made a bid sheet but couldn't get it sent to the address in time to bid this year. Looking over the list the ones I wanted the most were out of my price range so it's probably as well. Are the ones in black print the roses that no one bid on? For many, $15 is a steal to pay even if it's not that unusual. I'll put in a bid earlier next year

Thanks

Cynthia

Just so you know that isn't a definite label but one you can use that's plausible. I am sometimes fine calling my roses by an "adopted name" even if it wasn't the one they were "born" with, if I don't know the real name.

Happy to help pick an adopted name! Have fun with your rose.

Cynthia

This is an Olsen parade series rose called Mistral. it was bred by Olsen who worked for Poulsen Roser. it was firs announced in Denmark. this has a scent and is thornless. it is around the size colocolor and shshape as my rose. This is the closet one i found to my rose without bein wrwrong aabout something. i would never have found it without you. This is the one i have decided to adopt my rose as. Thank you!❤️

Also woody herbs like sage, rosemary and lavender tend to want dry conditions and roses are water hogs so they might not be compatible in your climate. I have lavender on the edge of some beds with roses but they face the hot dry street and tend to have little mulch where the roses are in the cozier parts of the bed with more protection and water.

Cynthia

Elena & Nippstress-
these are great points! I can still place the roses where Elena suggested and move the herbs to the far end where it’s dryer and out of the way incase I need to spray.

It’s been 8 years since I’ve had roses in ground. This has been a great refresher for me! Things I didn’t consider or simply forgot.

Thanks so much to everyone who commented! I truly appreciate it.

Peggy Martin! That's the New Orleans rose that survived Hurricane Katrina. Couldn't remember it before.

Ah, the dormant state makes the survival make more sense from your flooding Tack.

Cynthia

I think surviving "wet feet" comes with a few caveats. First, as mentioned, flooding when the roses are dormant can just be shrugged off. Living in wet clay in Spring, when new growth is sucking tons of moisture from the soil anyway, would probably not be harmful. Clay that remains wet through summer, though mayhaps not a "bog", would be an invitation to root rot. Any plant not adapted to life in water needs oxygen for their roots to survive. But if that soil even occasionally dries out, roses should do fine. My entire garden sits on nasty (nasty, nasty, sticky!) red clay just a few inches below the topsoil, and yet I grow 250+ roses on over two acres in various situations, some in improved beds, some in native soil. As far as the climbers and ramblers are concerned, they seem to prefer the native soil!

Red clay, though it stays wet longer, and dries into concrete, still has a very high mineral/nutrient content that seems to suit roses, being the heavy feeders they are. Counter-intuitively, keeping mulch and/or compost on the soil surface helps moderate the moisture level and eventually the organic material will migrate into the soil. The one thing I do recommend is to NOT improve the soil in *just* the planting hole. All you accomplish is creating a bathtub with clay walls for all the surrounding area to drain into, creating a sump. If in doubt, raise the site a few inches with soil amendments, preferably an entire bed, and plant away.

Fig - well said. :)

Elestrial - Darlow's Enigma is listed as a climber and it will absolutely grow in shade under a tree but it's mostly too stiff to climb. It would be a large to very large self-sustaining bush under the tree. Not sure if that's the look you're going for, but it's a rock solid hardy and minimal care rose.

I have a poor nose for scents so I can't tell what other climbers I grow are fragrant. Many of the more likely ones, like Austin climbers, are less happy in the part shade under a tree.

Cynthia

Thank you so much everyone for your suggestions, I'll look into all of them

Nippstress - Okay good to know, I'll keep that in mind. I'll put it by a tree where I won't mind if it ends up becoming a bush - thanks!

mmmm I list Therese Bugnet among the roses I won't be replacing. It was tip hardy and huge and bushy like others mentioned, but it was barely a once-bloomer. Maybe two weeks of scattered blooms on a huge tree-like bush. For about a week it would look decently covered enough for me not to pull the plug and dig out that monster. It's one of the roses that was actually a relief to lose in my great rose purge last year because now I had to dig it. It was in prime location so the only thing that might have limited its bloom is our relatively alkaline soil. Not so alkaline that multiflora hates us -my Palatine roses on mf do fine. Also other rugosas like the lovely Linda Campbell or Mrs. Anthony Waterer bloom regularly and profusely in much worse conditions. TB was among my earliest bloomers and also the first to quit.

YMMV of course

In answer to what roses I'll be replacing, my answer is almost all of them (I'm embarrassed to admit what percentage of my previous 850 roses that is). Most urgently the Delbard painter series and the irreplaceable rose list I've posted elsewhere.

Besides TB, others that I was glad to see go: Fimbriata (ugly, sparse), Rountuit (same), What a Peach (boringggg), Mountain Music (same), Mystic Fairy and Macy's Price (I love the Easy Elegance series but these were boring), Eutin (scruffy and huge blackspot), Rembrandt (blink and you miss it), Crown Princess Margaretha (never bloomed in 12 years on copious canes, except for 2013), Madame Alfred Carriere (same as CPM), Yolande 'dAragon and Duchess de Rohan (lovely blooms but mad crazy suckering and spectacular damask crud on YdA) to name a few.

Cynthia

Cynthia - I've gotten rid of lots and lots of roses over the years. You want roses that make your heart sing. :) :)

After my son died two years ago, I bought Wollerton Old Hall and started a rose garden in his memory.

Thank you, Ben, for the great thread! I think I may have shared at least part of my gardening story before as well.

Emmie, my heart goes out to you. I understand your pain. We too lost a son some years ago and that is when gardening became even more deeply meaningful to me. I grew up in a gardening family, but my parents mostly grew edible things, and my father especially considered it somewhat frivolous to grow anything strictly for beauty. I always craved flowers and foliage and beautiful plants. From the time I was young, I collected old cards of Victorian paintings of old roses… never cared too much for the modern hybrid teas that looked so stiff and formal. But they were better than nothing, so if I had half a chance I would take any flower that I could get my hands on. When I was seven years old, someone gave me a catalog that advertised several of David Austin’s earliest roses. I was enthralled and never forgot the name, though it would be years till I could get my hands on my first DA rose. My childhood was spent in very limited circumstances, many years as a missionary child in foreign countries. My first flower was a zinnia I grew from seed at five or six years old. In my teens, I learned to strike roses from cuttings and gave them to friends as birthday gifts. I married young and had a large family. They were happy years but busy. Any gardening I did was with my children and mostly vegetables, but about 15 years ago, I did start growing a few roses again, mostly ones that came with the house. Yes, they were hybrid teas and Knockouts! ;) But when our son died in 2006, I needed the therapy of growing something for beauty and not just for food. Gardening became a therapeutic passion for me. I, too, started a memory garden. When our family moved to Arizona in 2018, one of the first things I did was start a memory garden in my new location. And yes, I do grow DA roses now, among many others. I passed up the 100 mark some time ago and quit counting. :)

I know I have told my story before on here, probably too many times. So, I will keep it brief. The first rose I had was not one, but over 100 roses. When my DH and I got married 35 years ago, we moved into a house which had originally belonged to his great grandparents, who were immigrants in the late 1870s from Germany. In 1905 they bought what is now our house, and started to garden here. Grapes (with a grape arbor), fruit trees, flowers, and LOTS of roses, formal paths, etc. became part of what had been a "greenfield" lot. My DH's grandfather bought the property from them after he grew up and got married, then my DH's parents bought the property from my DH's grandparents after they retired, and eventually my DH and I bought it from his parents. This all took about 84 years, and 35 more years have gone by since then, making a total of almost 120 years, during all of which the garden has been beloved and enhanced by each of the 4 generations.

My personal journey growing roses started out with disbelief (I knew NOTHING about plants, let alone roses) as the first Spring came around when we lived here, and suddenly roses were appearing on the top of several tall trees, on top of the garage, all over fences, and one massive 40 ft long thing I thought was just a huge hedge covered itself in 3 different kinds of rose blooms (it was really 4 enormous antique rose bushes growing in a row). I was describing this startling explosion of bloom to a friend of mine, and she said "You have old roses. I will send you a book." So, she sent me "in Search of Old Roses", and I read it and was entranced. I then (getting his name from that book) bought every rose book I could find by Graham Thomas, who was a poet, as well as a rose grower and expert. So, I was hooked, and spent several decades trying to identify my treasures, (and add more, of course), and all of them have now been identified except one or two.

Le Vesuve was the one I was trying the hardest to identify at the beginning, and Cass Bernstien came by one day and took photos, and told me who several of them were. Here is her photo of our old Le vesuve, taken in the mid 1990s:

Jackie

I have found that the Lens hybrid musks in general are a little winter tender as hybrid musks go, so give it a protected spot and maybe grow it for a bit in a pot if it's small or stressed. The zone 6 of your PA zone may be enough to help it out, as that is the bottom hardiness listed for most of the Lens hybrid musks.

I haven't grown Annelis but congratulations on a spectacular find for 49 cents!

Cynthia

Correction, judijunebug, it was the very popular HT, Pascali, that I got at Sears for 49¢. Back in the 60-70's Pascali was sold everywhere, grafted, and in body bags. It did not survive in popularity to this day as have: Mr. Lincoln, Peace, Tropicana etc. I think it is that the bloom was small and it produced many blind growths although it had great HT form, exhibition quality.

Sorry for the correction no offense intended. Hybrid Musks back then when HTs were king were unheard of. In those days grafted HTs were sold by the millions, the good old, 'spray 'til you drop,' days.

Got it, Moses. In reading over your post later, I wondered if perhaps you were saying it was the HT you got at Sears for such a steal. I can’t imagine any rose going for that price in this era anywhere!

Paul may chime in here, but in previous discussions of his gallicas they don't sucker nearly as much as others in that class. I recall a few he mentioned as rare if at all suckers (Marianne comes to mind) so I think Ellen is in the same class. I haven't grown Ellen yet but mine is on order too so we'll discover how long it blooms together. As with any rose, rebloom will get better as it matures.

For Jeri Jennings you would be in a good zone for her. There are tea elements in breeding of many of his roses so they are marginally hardy for me here in zone 5. Now that I'm zone 6 I may try again with some (I have ordered Mel's Heritage as my top choice of please please survive). If Renae and its cultivars do well for you, Jeri Jennings should be good. I think she appreciates some shade if you get blazing hot sun.

Cynthia

Ben and Sultry...unreal. I'm super glad the two of you stayed!!! :) :)

Thanks for letting me know motbto prune Ellen . I would have made her very angry with me .

And As to mean people Grrrrr!!’ As my mother used to say, ” if you dont have anything nice to say , dont say anything at all ” Good advice !

Wow, that is huge! We need to see follow-up in bloom photos.

OurSteelers - you mean Lady of Shalott gets that big for you? Here LOS is one of those Austins that stays mannerly like Sharifa Asma or Tamora or Pretty Jessica. Rarely anything higher than 4 feet at the outside.

Cynthia

Heather - my eye went right to that red rose too!! Munstead Wood...mmmmm

Kingcobb - your roses are marvelous!!! What a lovely spot. :) :)

Beautiful! Your roses look very happy and healthy.

Sultry, no! Kitties are wonderful, and my Finn is the sweetest, most loving guy. He's a dear, and I like it that he keeps voles and mice under control. He's a house cat, too, so he's under supervision outside. We have a glut of coyotes out back in the gully who like kitties for breakfast, so he is never out after five or so. I love kitties as much as anyone could love their dogs. Diane

Finn doing his roasted turkey imitation.

Thanks for the sympathy Charles and FrozeBudd! I do have other plants in the garden that tided me over last year when I was completely roseless. I do a lot of spring bulbs so the azaleas and rhododendrons are a bit extraneous, though I do like having a few lilacs. I have daylilies and phlox and asters and things like that everywhere, so I have to place my roses carefully. My clematis grows like a weed and I have to watch that it doesn't overwhelm the rose. I'm not sure I could handle an actual collection like you FrozeBudd, but I like a variety.

Beth you are incredibly generous to share some rooted cuttings after all your loss! You're been in my thoughts after the big fire and it's a joy to see you posting pictures again of your roses. I would be happy to trade when the roses get back to a reasonable size, but since I'm starting back from scratch I don't have any of the interesting roses I posted above, just things that I can buy nowadays. Anything that I have that's out of patent I'd be happy to trade when it's big enough. I can send you a list of what I have in a direct email if you like. My home email is my user name here 11 at ymail dot com.

From what you listed, I'd be absolutely ecstatic to replace Clair Renaissance, Heart 'n Soul, Meilland Decor Arlequin (when it's big enough) Tenacious and New Imagine/Just Imagine. If your friend is able to root World Peace that would also be great, but it may be a challenging one to root. I did buy Charles de Gaulle from RVR on someone's alert that it was in stock, but I appreciate that offer. I am quite patient to wait till you and the roses are ready, as long as the weather is OK to ship whenever you're ready. I have years of planting to catch up on, as you did after the fire. Take your time to heal and send cuttings to people you're already committed to helping. I'm happy to take my place in line and be grateful for your help! I hope the recovery is going smoothly and that you're listening to your body and resting when you need to.

Wow! So between the possible rooted cutting of Smiling Jean from Karen, the Shades of Autumn from the auction, Elizabeth Stuart from A Reverence for Roses or Lilyfinch, Charles de Gaulle from RVR and the wonderful roses you're offering, that is the majority of my list! What a wonderful community this is!! At this point, Scottish Highlands jumps to the top of my wish list with Erfordia and Bonita Renaissance, but I am truly blessed with these offers.

Thank you all so much!

Cynthia

Well, good luck with your new clematis plants!! I hope they are delightful and grow well for you. :)

Heya Cynthia,

A useless comment from me since I am not on the same continent and worse, I don't even grow that many roses anymore but just want to post my admiration for your indomitable spirit. I thought I had a true pash but it turns out I am just a dilettante so yep, sending you my hopeful thoughts that you get the garden you honestly truly deserve in the face of unstinting service to rose love.