Yeah, they do fantastic here. Wish they were planted way more. There are some nice specimens here up to 40 - 50 feet tall. Lovely trees

Maybe I shouldn't show my pot of trilliums :-) They have a long back story but this particular clump (part of the original plant I acquired going on 20 years ago) has not been in the ground for 5 years.

If I wasn't already convinced it's spring, the pollen this last week has been incredible!! Everything has a thick dusting of gold powder, you see clouds of it lifting when the wind blows and I have been sneezing my head off!! I don't remember it being this bad before.

It might be a horticultural crime, but if it’s still alive how can it be murder? A few years ago I ran across this allée at Chandor Gardens in Weatherford, TX. I was surprised this tree could get so tall.

Maybe not a Felony but definitely a gross misdemeanor.

Old thread, but I have to comment. I've seen some local crapes cut way back and then sprayed with dormant oil as one remedy for the awful crape myrtle bark scale that has moved into the region. There's no way you can treat an entire plant if it's full sized. Sometimes you gotta do whatch gotta do.

The Dawes zone rating is surprising. You’ve got the right attitude when it comes to woody plants. If one is afraid to lose a few, it might not be the right hobby.

This winter was so mild, I dont think I lost a single plant, which is almost unheard of. Maybe I’m not trying hard enough.

Bill, do you know what your "free gift" is? Some type of juniper/falsecypress?

One does expose themselves to disappointments with some plantings, even if they are called 'Zone Hardy'.

A 'new to me' term I've been researching more frequently is 'Frost Hardy', where a plant can take the minimum cold of a certain zone just fine all winter but once the plant comes out of dormancy, a late hard frost/freeze can kill or weaken it over time.

Of course, this information is not widely published.

I'm now 'officially' zone 4a, so technically I'm not zone pushing, :-) except for my CK 'free gift' which we'll get to later, I first want to see if it survived all this abuse and weather changes.

I've rejected planting certain plants here because soil type is rated 'Moist to Wet' and I don't want too many trees/shrubs that can't take our summer dry spells, albeit I do have a few.

One factor helped me choose A. concolor is, once established, it is somewhat drought tolerant.

TBH, I didn't know at the time mine would be a lowiana, or what the difference was but from all my searching, it does grow in Montane areas to over 7,000 ft. in the sierras, where temperatures will go down to -30 in the winter. Admittedly marginal for my area but then last winter, we only had -18 once in January.

The main issue will be if it stays dormant late enough, until the really hard freezes are over.

So, dispelling the fear that winters will soon return back to the dark ages, I'll take the gamble that it won't (I'll either be the hero or look pretty stupid but hey that's life and what makes it fun). ;-)

What I meant: when you've reached capacity for trees/plants in YOUR yard, then you "... start up with the neighbors..."

Improve their landscapes with the plants you no longer have room for, but would like to have growing where you can see them. The concept of a "neighborhood arboretum" will follow not far behind.

Beng, did you bite into one? :)

I’m not familiar with Table Mtn Pine, but it looks like our Jack Pine, which is a short-lived, scruffy looking pine that I’ve grown fond of. Does the TMP turn a gold hue when temps get cold?

I'll bet my 15ft. pole saw could reach those cones. ;o)

I've read the description by Donald Peattie in 'A Natural History of Trees' that it's impossible to pull/twist a TM pine cone off its stem, you can only cut it off somehow or cut off the branch to get it. I don't want it bad enough to cut off a branch :)

It may thin out slightly on the backside below the fence, but this will not be visible except when doing fence maintenance. ;) I'd leave it be. BTW, you have an opportunity to pictorially document how this tree evolves over the next few years. The next time this issue is raised, which is likely to happen, you'll be able to show how it establishes a leader. Good luck with it!

you bought a weeping tree.. its right there in the name... if you wanted a taller one.. it would have been best to buy a taller one..

it will be near impossible to pull the leader upright at this time..

tree time is counted in decades.. in 5 to 10 years.. it might put up a new upright leader.. and you can train that to grow taller...

i would also suggest you move it 3 to 5 feet further from the fence ..

ken

Jeff,

There's some beautiful pictures of this tree in the conifer forum.

Here's one below. Page down to about the third post.

https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/5732852/experience-with-weeping-white-spruce-in-zone-7#n=14

Mmmm, you have no space and can’t afford it. That is a garden dilema. Fortunately, you’ve come to the right place. Where do you garden? Are there other Acer options that might be a better fit? Is there anything that can be culled? BTW, I’ve got one of the palmatum x pseudosieboldianum hybrids that is very nice.

I think there is a support group that helps you with continuous buying syndrome.

Unfortunately, you're at the wrong site. ;-)

I have a seedling species Acer pseudosieboldianum in fact two, but only one has the red new growth feature. The other comes lime green with red leaf margins. Much diversity with this species.

This was in August (2022), second flush of first year planted. So lower down the leaves have turned green already.

Pam, yes I look at a lot of YouTube Videos from Mr Maple and they've showcased many cultivars they claim have incredible spring color. I know they exist, I have just never seen any Acer with spring color like this - and I have to see it in person, videos never compare to the real thing. I think you put Katsura in the Case/Warren garden and it was always lovely but never remotely as good as this. One video mentions a newer cultivar, they say: "This is what Katsura wishes it was".

As you know, I visit garden centers on a daily basis (wink), and this spring I've been on a quest to see some of these amazing spring foliage colors (compared to fall color, the spring color is fleeting!). Portland Nursery, Dennis' 7 Dees, Tony's Garden Center, and many others, so far nothing but a sea of green and subdued red foliage. Also scan the wholesale fields while driving, nothing but the same old thing.

Who the heck is buying all of these BuchhoIz (Now owned by MrMaple) and Iseli maples anyway? Perhaps they all end up back east. I noticed this when I was looking for Quercus phellos: thousands are grown at wholesale nurseries just down the road, but nobody sells them in this state. I found First Flame at Garland in Corvallis, and it was the only stunning selection in the entire garden center...nothing else came close.

If anyone encounters exceptional spring Acer foliage color, post photos here...I know they're out there, somewhere!

I don’t have this particular variety, but I have wild Diervilla Lonicera on my property. It grows happily well above the highest flood level on a steep riverbank in sun for a good chunk of the afternoon, including one on top of a large boulder, though it may have roots that reach into deeper soil.

If you look at D. lonicera vs. D. sessilifolia, you'd think the former would be much more cold hardy, but the latter is generally listed as being hardy to z4. I'm hoping that is the case.