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I looked up Skyrocket, and it might indeed. (Also near each other in the alphabet!).
Jackie
@nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
Skyrocket seems to form buds in bunches ( hybrid musk), this plant has singular buds. Maybe it needs to mature.
I agree with roseseek, and would add one comment - many roses are said to be "thornless" by sellers, when in fact they are not. They should be labelled "almost thornless", or "less thorny than most roses", or something similar IMO. I have grown a lot of roses, and the only ones I have ever personally grown on which I have never, ever, seen a thorn ("prickle" is the technically correct term) are Lady Banks Yellow rose, and Schmidt's Smooth Yellow.
Jackie
Even those considered "thornless" can sometimes not be, Jackie. At the Encino house, there were a double yellow Banksiae which grew through the stand of Golden Bamboo in the front and, due to the water stress and extreme water transpiration from the bamboo, horribly mildewed nearly year round. In back, planted partially under the huge rear wooden deck, was a double white which continually produced prickly canes. I posted these photos of them on the R. Banksiae alba page on Help Me Find-Roses back in 2019.
Plus, to assist in differentiating between the levels of "thorniness", the data entry possibilities on the "Traits" entry have been increased to include:
- armed with thorns / prickles
- bristly
- bushy
- climbing
- compact
- dense
- few or no prickles/thorns
- lax
- mounded
- narrow
- rounded
- sends out runners
- spreading
- suckers on its own roots
- upright
- well-branched
- no prickles
- light prickles
- average prickles
- heavy prickles
This won't affect the majority of roses already included in the database as many are no longer available for observation and it would require much more volunteer time and effort than would ever be available. It should increase the accuracy of reporting newly added roses, as long as the information provided for entry is honest and accurate.
Thank you for taking the time to write to me. She is growing now with the beautiful spring weather. i will keep you all updated.
Gorgeous! How healthy is it where you are?
Jackie
Wow, Jeri!
What a wonderful rose. I miss my Grandmother's Hat. Thanks for the pictures, Jeri.
Your GH is way ahead of mine - mine is in partial shade, so not getting as big either, but it is starting to bloom. Gorgeous photos!
Jackie
I also noticed the Klimt exhibit in NYC. Although in the 1960s and 70s his art was everywhere, I had no idea at all that he painted landscapes. I have purchased several greeting cards of those from the Neue, and also found others on vrs websites - I love them.
Jackie
Thanks for sharing this! I've seen the Klimt collection at the Belvedere Palace and they are even more magnificent in person. I think the roses in his paintings look something like Albas, the foliage is a little bit blue and the habit is tall, so lovely. It looks like I can get this book at my library!
Interesting, thank you Ann.
So sweet! SJN-that is SO adorable- baby deer AND baby goats!!!!!!!!!
Awwww...that's an adorable picture!
Beautiful!
bart bart - sorry - I have enough trouble keeping track of roses I plant or move - I don't keep records of other types of plants. I love that clematis too, but have no idea who it is. it is over 10 years old by now. I have tried a lot of different types of clematis, but have decided that I like large single dark purple ones MUCH better than the others.
Jackie
could it be a sport?
Jackie
I'll be watching that particular branch to see what develops, Jackie -- it's a lovely bloom and wouldn't mind having a plant of that, too!
Here's an update photo of that sported blossom, from today. So far, just that one side shoot (and not a large one at that!), but eventually I will try to propagate it. It really is lovely and quite different compared to the regular Marlowe flower -- hard to believe it's from the same plant.
Brandon - Thank you for the lovely treat! I have never seen that rose before, and was surprised at the color in a species rose - such a lovely yellow! I liked the cupped form too - made the blooms look like Easter eggs. A nice rose to be the first bloomer in your garden -
Jackie
I had never seen it before either. I see a lot of pink or white singles but mot too many nice yellows. I bet our bees would love that rose. I will have to keep an eye out.
On the left is Father Hugo’s Rose. on the right is Rosa xanthina spontanea
Hee, hee - no magic, I am afraid, except the long passage of time. I thought about it, and the one thing I came up with is that the plants in our garden are allowed to get mature, and mostly encouraged to grow how they want. Many times they only get to their most beautiful when they are at least 5 or 6 years in the ground, and sometimes much older. Also, if they start doing strange things (there are several rose bushes which have morphed into climbers over time, for example, even though they were not "supposed" to be climbers), we just let them be. I am always curious to see what they will do.
Our flowering crab apple tree is the largest I have seen around here, and I am told by my DH's family that it was planted in the 1940s or so. It just keeps getting bigger and better. We never do anything to it, except that we did remove a few of the lower branches at the order of our Fire Dept.
The climate, of course, allows that long term growth to happen, along with the good soil, and the fact that the property has been in the same family so long. This causes a sort of feeling that if one of my DH's ancestors planted something which is still healthy, I should leave it to thrive as long as it can. (When we first moved in here, there was a giant eugenia tree - 40-50 ft tall - dropping fruit maybe 10 months of the year, right on the front brick path which leads to our front door. Being a new homeowner, I convinced my DH that we should remove it. My FIL was alive at that time, and his reaction to my DH was " Your Grandmother LOVED that tree..." - end of plan to remove the tree.) Also, anything fussy or unhappy which needs constant care or spraying dies, which leaves only the happy plants.
I am not a garden planner, or designer of perfect spaces who removes and replaces every plant which does not comply with the original design. One funny example of that is the oval bed which my DH carefully cut out of our lawn, and put a brick edging around. It was the only space I actually ever tried to "plan" seriously. The plan was to have one tree rose, surrounded by tiny miniature rose bushes. Ha! One of the "miniatures" turned out to be no such thing, and immediately climbed over the top of the tree rose. It gets bigger and bigger every year, and I love it (the tree rose is still getting bigger and blooming happily alongside and sort of under it). Last year I noticed that one of the actual original miniature roses I planted around the bottom of the tree rose (which did stay maybe 18 inches tall for many years) has suddenly become a climber and leaped up to the top of the tree rose! Luckily it still has thin canes and tiny blooms, so it is just pretty, not overwhelming. The other thing which has happened in that oval is that of course the roses are fooling around, and producing hybrid volunteers, some of which are gorgeous! I suspect the partial shade has something to do with the urge to get tall, but who knows? I just enjoy the result.
Jackie
I love hearing about your garden, and seeing the pictures each year. It all goes to show what a fortunate climate and dedicated gardeners can accomplish, especially when given the passage of generations.
Melissa - such a joy to see your garden in its bright green, blooming beauty! I love wildish gardens too - seems great to see roses, or whatever, in more natural settings. Always something interesting going on.
The most striking rose to me is your "Miss Mystery" - I have never seen blooms so remarkably stuffed with petals which do not seem to be arranged in any regular way - sumptious. I hope someone on here will have an opinion about that rose. Is it a once bloomer, or does it repeat?
Jackie
Lovely images Melissa. Your gardens are lovely and the spring is such a wondrous time of rebirth and regrowth. Thanks for posting the images. Barely any buds breaking on the roses here. Things like cherry trees and later Magnolias still just coming into bloom. Thanks for sharing your spring garden with the rest of us.
Cheers, Rick
Agree with these comments-very beautiful, Melissa. I, too, am much struck by the Mystery rose.
Marlorena - I think you nailed it!
This is why I love this forum - very fast responses, and you will get the right answer almost every time within 24 hours (faster this time!).
Nollie - in case you don't look at HMF - here is a link to the main page on this rose -
Jackie
Brilliant, thanks so much everyone.
@Marlorena, having trawled photos online of both it’s hard for me to say either way, but I’m sure you are correct. Kazanlik was actually on an old list of mine for it’s fragrance, but I’ve always shied away from big once-bloomers because of the dearth of decent planting spaces here. Perhaps it needs to go back on the current list.
@jacqueline9CA you are so right, I do use HMF but there is no substitute for the wealth of knowledge on here.
I would have guessed that it is a Damask without have the skill to identify it any further.
Cl Crimson Glory - I got mine from a cutting I rooted off of a bush which was climbing at least 15 feet up a tree. Very very fragrant - "old rose" scent. Repeats well.
Jackie
Elestrial - Darlow's Enigma is listed as a climber and it will absolutely grow in shade under a tree but it's mostly too stiff to climb. It would be a large to very large self-sustaining bush under the tree. Not sure if that's the look you're going for, but it's a rock solid hardy and minimal care rose.
I have a poor nose for scents so I can't tell what other climbers I grow are fragrant. Many of the more likely ones, like Austin climbers, are less happy in the part shade under a tree.
Cynthia
Thank you so much everyone for your suggestions, I'll look into all of them
Nippstress - Okay good to know, I'll keep that in mind. I'll put it by a tree where I won't mind if it ends up becoming a bush - thanks!
I'm not sure. His dam is half Lamancha & half Nigerian Dwarf (mini lamancha). Usually their babies will have small elf or gopher ears. Every once in a while they have one with Nigerian ears. The other Mini Lamancha does dont usually care one way or another. He was the first baby born. He was alraedy out when I got out to the barn and she was butting him. We tried different methods of getting them to bond. She wanted nothing to do with him lol. Then she had another one with tiny ears like her. She loves that one.
That is the first baby we've had that was rejected. His ears straightened out and look normal now. He is doing great and is weaned now.
I had pulled the other 2 bucklings from their mom because the mom had 4. I left the 2 doelings on her.
Oh that makes my heart hurt, Sultry
I know I have told my story before on here, probably too many times. So, I will keep it brief. The first rose I had was not one, but over 100 roses. When my DH and I got married 35 years ago, we moved into a house which had originally belonged to his great grandparents, who were immigrants in the late 1870s from Germany. In 1905 they bought what is now our house, and started to garden here. Grapes (with a grape arbor), fruit trees, flowers, and LOTS of roses, formal paths, etc. became part of what had been a "greenfield" lot. My DH's grandfather bought the property from them after he grew up and got married, then my DH's parents bought the property from my DH's grandparents after they retired, and eventually my DH and I bought it from his parents. This all took about 84 years, and 35 more years have gone by since then, making a total of almost 120 years, during all of which the garden has been beloved and enhanced by each of the 4 generations.
My personal journey growing roses started out with disbelief (I knew NOTHING about plants, let alone roses) as the first Spring came around when we lived here, and suddenly roses were appearing on the top of several tall trees, on top of the garage, all over fences, and one massive 40 ft long thing I thought was just a huge hedge covered itself in 3 different kinds of rose blooms (it was really 4 enormous antique rose bushes growing in a row). I was describing this startling explosion of bloom to a friend of mine, and she said "You have old roses. I will send you a book." So, she sent me "in Search of Old Roses", and I read it and was entranced. I then (getting his name from that book) bought every rose book I could find by Graham Thomas, who was a poet, as well as a rose grower and expert. So, I was hooked, and spent several decades trying to identify my treasures, (and add more, of course), and all of them have now been identified except one or two.
Le Vesuve was the one I was trying the hardest to identify at the beginning, and Cass Bernstien came by one day and took photos, and told me who several of them were. Here is her photo of our old Le vesuve, taken in the mid 1990s:
Jackie
The Alnwick Rose! I always avoided roses before discovering the DA roses at a local nursery, my idea of roses were the old sickly hybrid teas my mom grew in the shade at our house growing up that rarely bloomed
I still have the teas. Oklahoma was a favorite of mine, so rich, so lush, so fragrant. Also had Don Juan, George Burns, Julia Child, Tranquillity, Marilyn Monroe - sigh. We moved in 2018, taking only the teas and the two Austins, Munstead and Darcey Bussell. Also brought my three Sexy Rexys.
Even though my lot here is tiny, I’ve done what I could. Climbers: Raspberry Cream Twirl, Lavender Crush, three Renaes. Moonstone, Our Lady of Guadalupe, and Love Song do well here, as do minis and minifloras. I sp’d the Sexy Rexys, replacing them with Bolero and Full Sail. Dream Come True is fantastic. Memorial Day is probably my current favorite. I was gifted a Princess Alexandra of Kent, and I do like it although it’s not a frequent bloomer. Can’t end this without mentioning Life of the Party. What a winner!
My Lady Hillingdon is in its second year - she didn’t do much in 2023,but I have high hopes, and have given her a lot of room. I love teas, and would grow more if I had space for them,
My dad grew roses back in Staten Island. Also vegetables and, yes, figs, in zone 7. I inherited the gene.
I do miss my big yard and the citrus trees - Valencia orange and lemon - but as life goes on, I’m kinda-sorta happy I don’t have that much to do anymore. Although I have no room (famous last words), I have two new polyanthas from Burling, in pots right now, and a Fragrant Plum that will have to go in the
ground sometime.
Naturally I’m looking forward to Otto and Sons Rose Days this month, and will probably not walk out of there empty-handed. Maybe an apricot this year.
They're gorgeous!
Oh, Jackie, that is a heart-melter with the red foliage... Great photos. Thank you and Jeri for sharing. <3
Would love to know what you think of portlandmysteryrose's suggestion, Melissa. Maybe when more of the blooms on your mystery open you will have enough info to compare them. I love mysteries!
Jackie
Looking through the Sangerhausen Moss roses, I would guess 'Marechal Davoust' [Robert, 1853], would be closest to what you have there, taking everything into account. Description by GS Thomas also seems to conform to your rose somewhat [attractive, pointed leaves, brownish moss, button eye, green centre].
Might be worth taking a look at that one.