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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: Anyone get your roses from Garden Roses yet?
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fig_insanity Z7b E TN

Welp, this doesn't look good. I've been giving the benefit of doubt to Nate and Tess, but if this is truly the same people, then I may have to admit I've been naive.

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN

What is so mind boggling is that we know GRLLc has *some* roses, at least, because a forum member has visited the business. Why go to the trouble of propagating any roses at all if it's a scam? At some point, it's no more trouble to actually fulfill orders than it is to create the illusion of a business!

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN

Call me naive, but I'm STILL hoping that this is their effort to reform and start a real business, but that they have merely been overwhelmed by the realities of *actual* work, lol.

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AllSass_CA10b

I received my refund and the charges were not reversed. I used my debit card. I distinctly remember thinking I’ll have less hassle this way if I need to involve the bank. Credit cards are different since they report to the agencies, issue rewards, interest etc…


Moses, you were going by what little info you had at the time and I think we all appreciate that. It’s not like you’re still defending them knowing what you know now 😎

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Lesley Hart

I would highly suggest that people get refunds I've just spent the last 2 hours looking through this stuff, the photos are subquality and the 3d rendered boxes are even worse quality and shouldn't look like that if they were being done properly in a 3d modeling program. i've 3d modeled and done photoshop fror the last 15 years. I also take photos with an Iphone, even I can do better than what I've seen here. CLEARLY that greenhouse was way to small to begin with and something isn't right here. THE DA mainstore in the UK has bigger green houses and I'm American but I live abroad. I think some of you are being taken for a ride and you probably should head the the warning - I've been scammed recently myself via 3rd party selller with retired UK version of roses. Summer Song doesn't do well in the US climate, I've asked about this on DA official course. - I seen that somewhere he was going to get it when it went out of patent. You'd be stupid to keep buying into this mess. Please listen and get refunds. If it sounds to good to be true it usually is and I hate to be the say this but quite honestly after being scammed myself I understand it.


- Take it for what its worth

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: Can you help judge iffy growth - I'm not objective about RRD anymore
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Cynthia, I know you've been through the grinder with RRD, but please, calm down, lol. I don't see anything that on its own points to RRD. IF the incidence of close intenodes were caused by RRD, every internode ABOVE that would also be affected, and yet they seem to be normally spaced. Those multiple sprouts are coming at the base of a twig THAT HAS BEEN PRUNED. Pruning causes dormant buds to sprout. That's one of the main reasons we prune! I could be wrong, and it may be riddled with RRD, but until it shows THREE, INDISPUTABLE symptoms, do not panic. Three.Indisputable.Symptoms. Remember that.

And until it fully leafs out, you're not going to see three, even IF the two things you are worried about truly are symptoms. So grab a cup of tea and a good book, and WAIT.

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Rosefolly

I agree with the general consensus. They look normal, but keep ane eye on them.

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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

You are all such wonderful, knowledgeable, caring rose friends! Please accept a virtual hug from me for your thoughtful and helpful advice. I'm extra glad that the advice was a positive reaction about not being RRD, but I would have been happy simply to know how to handle this.

What helps me the most is the factual information to help me understand the science of the growth process. I have made a file of BenT's & FigInsanity's wonderfully simple 3 judgments for RRD, but since those are judgments they have natural elements of human error. After a while everything looks abnormal or excessive (or preliminary leading up to excessive), and its hard to get a handle. Rifls - nice to know it's not just me getting lost in judgments. As Ben says, I'll need to check for it every day, but it helps to have a non-human fact metric for what makes a border between OK and not OK in early stages.

Ann, your incredibly clear and informed statements about bud growth and canes were exactly what I needed. I knew that buds could come back from the same node if one was snapped off, but I'd never noticed that multiples could grow at the same time till I started being extra vigilant. Looking for this pattern repeating up the canes would be what's behind the "witch's broom" growth of RRD.

And the kinky canes being that one side is growing faster than the other now makes sense to me. So many of the kinky canes are on robust shrubs that have rapid growth, vs. the long straight growth of HTs that (in my zone) put on gradual growth. Watching prickles and abnormality that moves down rather than up is a good metric to keep an eye on too.

Erasmus, thanks for your insights as someone who has extra reasons to be vigilant about RRD in many kinds of roses. I got your email and responded, with a note about my usual email. We can correspond from there.

John, your reminder to breathe and have a cup of tea (non caffeinated I presume) is very timely. I'm trying to stay ahead of ID of RRD so it never gets away from me again, but you sent very good reminders that I can't be premature. Ah yes, of course pruning promotes growth farther down the cane - remembering the candelabra effect which has to be the multiple canes from a pruned spot. Again, how useful is fact-based reasoning to settle anxiety. Ahhhhhh. huhhhhhh - breathing now...

I appreciate you chiming in with clear and positive judgments Sheila & Rosefolly. Your exquisite skills in rose growing help with years of experience making these kinds of decisions.

And Moses, dear Moses - you are incredibly sweet as always and way too complementary for reality. I'm in and out of this forum way too much to be a pillar, but I'm happy to be a basal cane like everyone else here on GW roses. You give a wonderful testament to balancing faith in ourselves, God's nature, and the process of rose growing, and that's a terrific reminder of what's important. I spent too long previously believing "it looks weird but it'll be OK" for my favorite roses, only to watch gradual and indisputable RRD develop and last for years on Edgar Degas, Savoy Hotel, Jack's Wish, Forever Rose, and all the rest. I've got to find a new balance where that doesn't happen again.

I have no doubt that I removed some roses in the Great RRD Purge of March 2023 that didn't have RRD, and I mentioned that at the time. Grandmother's Hat never showed a smidgen of symptom, but it was near a Grand Central of RRD infections including a huge Madame Alfred Carriere. My dearly beloved Heart 'n' Soul might not have been infected, but it was chafed on all sides by clearly infected (and also dearly beloved) Erfordia and Firebird Citiscape. I just couldn't risk leaving a Typhoid Mary of infection after all the others. All three of those latter roses are on my irreplaceable roses list that I'll post tonight (I promise - I tried a few days ago but Houzz didn't post it).

Again, many many thanks for chiming in so readily and knowledgeably. You are a great treasure in this wonderful rose community.

Cynthia

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: is Yellow Stem around Roots Normal
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fig_insanity Z7b E TN

Is this the photo in question? If so, the yellowing is merely where the stem has been covered by soil. Notice that the first bundle of roots is just below that *small* yellow band. If the soil had been any lower on the stem than that yellow band, the roots would have been exposed. This is a very healthy, quite robust cutting. Again, the yellow coloration is just where the green stem has faded by being covered by soil. It is no longer producing chlorophyll, since it is deprived of light.

EDIT: ALL cuttings exhibit this yellowing/fading below the soil line. You just don't normally see it because none of us purposely bareroot our cuttings like this!



Photo from GardenRoses LLC Facebook

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rifis (zone 6b-7a NJ)

And now, looking at the seller’s facebook page for the first time: I can’t imagine the owner would have taken the actions described if he had understood what was being asked. In his line of work, he can’t reasonably be expected to bring to the table special skills possessed by, say, a psychiatric social worker.

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Green Leaves

@ bart bart , thank you for your kind words! Grateful for everyone's input. Big thanks to @ fig_insanity Z7b E TN for clarifying why the stem yellowing under the soil line is normal; it makes sense. This is new to me as I've never checked the soil part of a rooted rose before.

And to @ Paul Barden , your comment regarding my account being blocked by Garden Roses was quite impactful. "IMO you deserved it" is quite a statement. Are you suggesting that raising concerns about rose health warrants being blocked? I'm relieved you're not in charge of managing this forum. And I do hope that the seller you endorse, Garden Roses LLC, deserves your support. It's troubling to learn about the couple's fraud history discovered by others in a separate post, which I just found out about.

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: Desperation! Please help.
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fig_insanity Z7b E TN

I sent a message to Sheila, hopefully she'll weigh in with her experience. You'd be amazed at the rose scraps she has saved, lol.

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Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA

Dear all,

At this point I am completely adrift, no longer knowing what I am doing. Some updates:

I repotted LOS shown above to rescue her, as Sheila instructed. She was still in good shape overall, just chomped at the roots and is now trying to grow back in a 5 gal pot, protected perched on my deck.



I also pulled out Munstead Wood because it was clearly not thriving, not growing, stunted, as shown in picture below. Barely any leaves growing.


Interestingly enough, this one was NOT munched, but still mysteriously not growing. At this point, I can only blame the fierce competition with the tree roots in the area. That rose bed will probably never do OK (except somehow the Drifts), not as long as that tall oak is there.


I am soaking it too and will replant in a large pot for the long term. After all DA-s do well in pots and my Olivia Rose has been one of my best performers in a pot. In fact, so far I have done way better with roses in pots than in the ground. I guess whatever ground I have, it's not good.



I also went to the remaining forest area surrounding our property and saw Savannah lying in the leaves where I had ditched her. I had thrown it away over a week ago but it had rained. After the discussion here it dawned on me that it may still be barely alive and I could maybe try to save her. I picked her up, brought her back and soaked her too. When I cut a stem, the inner part is still white fresh with a touch of green, so maybe there's hope.

This will be the great Save Savannah operation. Maybe a miracle will happen and she will eventually come back.



On an other mysterious note, I have a Double Pink Knock Out at the mailbox where there is no competition with any tree...and that rose too is failing to grow. Stunted despite adding manure, fertilizing, watering...the W9Y. I have NO idea what is going on at this point.

I am optimistic about LoS, not so much about Savannah.

Munstead needs to find a home in a large pot and live there on my deck.


Thank you all for any other tips on how to recoup these beauties and stimulate maximum root growth this year. No expectations of bloom of course, just recovery of the plant. Maybe roses for me are meant to grow in pots after all, or at least as long as we live on this property with impossible clay, tons of tree roots and weird creatures underground.

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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR

I would bet on Savannah making it too, Artist. That is pretty much what happened to me with Alnwick rose when I found it tipped over and rootless I threw it into the grass and only later realized it needed the ICU. It came back beautifully.

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: Belle Portugaise (gigantea hybrid, 1903)
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jacqueline9CA

Oops - I guess I posted 2 of the same pics (my fault, not Houzz's). Here is the third photo I meant to post:




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fig_insanity Z7b E TN

Frilly, billowy, beauteous.

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN likes 3 comments on a discussion: Anyone else having comments not post/disappearing?
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seasiderooftop

Hi Fig!

Just wanted to let you know I can see your post here!

For me, since last year anything I post from the website doesn't appear. I have to go to the Houzz app to post.

But I hate navigating threads on the app, so I read the forum on the website, and then go to the app if I want to reply to a thread. Tedious.

Howuselezzz really lives up to it's nickname!

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Kristine LeGault 8a pnw

Yes, I can only do short spurts or the posts dissapear and an error sign pops up. very frustrating



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catspa_zone9sunset14

I contacted Houzz and got feeble, anodyne advice implying it wasn't their fault and probably my fault, even after I gave them the specs of my machine: make sure your software is up-to-date, clear history, use Chrome, blah, blah blah, none of which were relevant or worked. My machine is pretty up-to-date -- a MacBook Air with an M1 chip running Sonoma 14.4 as the OS. I haven't had such problems much in the past -- just recently.

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: David Austin AUSmoon 'Pegasus'
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fig_insanity Z7b E TN

I've commented twice, and they both disappeared...testing, testing...

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Josef Perry

Elestrial,


I actually belong to that group! Thank you for the recommendation though! It seems to be just as rare there as it is everywhere else online as far as the states are concerned. Thank you for the well wishes, it appears I am really going to need them.

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Elestrial 7a

It looks like there are a few US members on HMF that have this rose listed as growing in their gardens. You could try reaching out to each of them and seeing if any of them are willing to share cuttings, or at least share where they were able to get theirs

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: Are all these buds dead?
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fig_insanity Z7b E TN

Water well, sit back, and don't touch the pruners. I don't even cover my roses (mostly the true teas and chinas) until they predict BELOW 28F, or below freezing for six hours, either/or. Most likely, in a week you won't know they were ever droopy.

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@Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR

Sheila thank you for your post. I am glad you mentioned the once bloomers. I just started getting some once blooming varieties (Charles de Mills, Tuscany Superb, Allegra and Marianne ). If these varieties have tiny buds and they get zapped do you lose all your blooms for that season? Are they able to produce new ones if they never got to actually bloom?

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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR

The OGR European roses wait to leaf out and show buds later and never get zapped, Dianela.

My frost zapping is only the warm climate roses. In California the year round growth would be safe, but not here.

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN likes a comment on a discussion: Look how pale . . .
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jerijen

You know, it might in fact be a sport. But most of the blooms opening just now are pretty light, so I tend to think the color is weather-related. Consider that this is 'Tina Marie' !!


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fig_insanity Z7b E TN likes a comment on a discussion: In Search of Miranda Lambert rose
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Echo_Texas_zone9a

I was thinking the same. sent the GRF and Home Depot links to my friend. yay!

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: Paul Bocuse in your garden. Size?
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I don't grow PB, but from the video, assuming the lady is about 5'6'' (a big assumption, I know), then the rose looks to be about 5'x5'. That's not terribly out of the height range on HMF, but considerably wider. My written Russian is rudimentary, but I think her comment under the vid says something to the effect that PB is one of the largest shrubs in her garden.

EDIT: She does say it's over two meters high...that's well over six feet. But she leaves a lot of plant when she prunes. She doesn't prune it low (to about 28") and says if you prune it lower it won't be so large. I'd just plan on pruning it according to your space, but plan for a large bush.

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erasmus_gw

My Paul Bocuse declined in an area with blasting hot sun and not much water. I was really taken with the beautiful blooms. I'd give it something better than a dry spot with root competition. Mine never got very big.

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Thank you folks for the replays! I do not have any shrubs so far, need to learn how to prune them. But now I am certain about the space for this rose!

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: Star of the republic ?
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Kenneth, my SotR is...five?...years old. I've never done more than just tipped the canes back for summer pruning, trying to let it build some mass. But I'm going to be pruning this weekend and next week, and may be a little more aggressive this year. I think the summer pruning has prevented octopus canes, and promoted more laterals. But It's a favorite. I love the color and the changing scent: I get damask, light myrrh and even pepper at times.

I'll also be interested to see how it takes to pegging.

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: ROSES in UK/Europe.. 2024.. Spring/Summer
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Hi Marlorena! It's good to see you again. I hope my favorite British gardener is doing well. For all of you newbies and returnees, welcome to How-uzzlezz (my term, lol). It doesn't work as seamlessly as it should, and it's a cobbled together mess sometimes, but it does give us a place to gather, brag and moan, lol. I hope you will all join us often, and you lurkers are welcome to join in as well. We're generally a fun, helpful, welcoming crowd.

If anyone has questions about how the site works, feel free to ask the forum at large, or message any individual by clicking on their screen name in any thread. That will take you to their profile, where you can click on "MESSAGE" (if they have messaging enabled). And by the way, if you'd like to receive private messages, you will need to enable that function on your profile.

EDIT: Oops...I meant to introduce myself. I'm John, from the hot-summer/freezing-winter, always humid, Tennessee, USA.

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN

@showa_omori <---- To tag someone, just put the @ before their screen name, and Houzz *should* notify them that they've been mentioned in a post. IF they have the function enabled, their name should appear with other similar choices in a dropdown window before you finish typing (although sometimes it doesn't, and you have to finish typing it, rather than just clicking on your choice. It's just another bug in Houzz, lol). If you type @ plus the name and it doesn't show up in highlighted green, it didn't work, which it sometimes doesn't if the name they use in chat {usually involving an underscore or added zone rating] doesn't match their "official" profile name. Sigh...it's complicated, like everything with Houzz.

EDIT: Again, I recommend checking your profile settings, to make sure you can be contacted/tagged/messaged, assuming that you want to be, lol.

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN

@showa_omori Don't feel bad. I know I can be tagged, but I've also seen my name with the @ where it didn't highlight in green, as in your post just now. Sometimes Houzz just doesn't cooperate, no matter WHAT you do. I honestly think is depends on the phase of the moon, lol. For instance, did you notice in one of Marlorena's posts that her tag for bart bart didn't work, but the one for Cooldoc did? To make things even more weird, I just tried @-ing @bart bart and it worked, but I had to choose the name from the dropdown. (Sorry bart bart, lol)

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showa_omori

Sorry @Fire I should have named them.

First one is Fragrant Delight, next is Boscobel, the yellow is Goldfinch (parent of Ghislaine isn’t it?), and lastly Royal Jubilee / Desdemona / Gertrude Jekyll / Deep Secret.

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Fire zone 8, north London, UK

thanks

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fig_insanity Z7b E TN commented on a discussion: 'Tina Marie' and "Grandmother's Hat".
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It will be at least another month before my GH blooms. Your pic is making me impatient, lol. I still need to get Tina Marie. If she's as robust as GH, she'll do well here.

Before I moved GH to the top of a retaining wall, she suffered from fairly severe blackspot, but now that she has the best airflow in the yard, she does very well, indeed. Which reminds me, I need to start another GH somewhere else, because where there's airflow, there are also mites, which means possible RRD. My project this year is to make sure I have duplicates of the favorites, the rare, and the unicorns.

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Dave5bWY

Beautiful blooms, thanks for sharing Jeri. I’ve wondered how cold hardy Grandmother’s Hat really is. While HMF lists it as hardy to zone 5b, I haven’t found (or maybe have just not noticed) much information on those who have grown it in colder zones. I’ve been tempted to try it.

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jerijen

Well, y'know, you never know ;til you try -- but Lois Ann Helgeson is in Wisconsin, and I know she's grown GramHat for years and years, so . . .

And 'Tina Marie' should be exactly the same.


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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

FWIW on another thread where Ann gave tremendously helpful information and support for RRD in my yard, she cited literature that RRD travels primarily by the wind and "drop patterns" of high growing plants/trees that then drop the mites to the roses. Apparently there was research where they deliberately tried to spread RRD from one rose to another using pruners and they couldn't do it. Not that I recommend trying that experiment in your own yard, and I sanitize my pruners for minimizing other things like Downy mildew transfer. We still don't know enough about RRD transmission but I let go of some of the immediate guilt of my transferring it between roses with pruners (or clothes). The source of my infection turned out to be a neighbor's yard that kept sending RRD mites my way.

I found it reassuring that it wasn't something I actively did that spread RRD, but there also aren't a lot of techniques for avoiding it beyond identifying (correctly) infected roses and disposing of them as you did at your mom's. Asking here for feedback about photos helps you not jump the gun too fast and see RRD where it isn't actually present.

Fig - wonderful summary of information and I've saved it as a great reminder of the bottom line parameters I'm looking for in the future. None of us can say we're done with RRD, but it shouldn't stop us from growing roses (at least it hasn't stopped me!)

Cynthia

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