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Elestrial 7a commented on a discussion: Anyone get your roses from Garden Roses yet?
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Elestrial 7a

Many of those look like new cuttings

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sautesmom Sacramento

Why would a rose grower not have them in alphabetical order or at least in groups of variety?

Not to mention that looks like the first bloom on a Seedling, not a cutting of The  Fairy.  Wasn't he experimenting with breeding?

Looks sketch.

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Elestrial 7a likes 3 comments on a discussion: Anyone get their plants from Grace Rose Farm yet?
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BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

Oh dear, Someone has just posted on Facebook that they ordered 3 grafted Exclusives from GRF and this is what she received. Who is their partner/grower who wishes to stay unamed? …Garden Roses LLC?






Kris,

That’s why you’ve not received your Garden Rose. GRF took them! (joke).

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Diane Brakefield

Kitty, I wish you could come to Idaho and buy a nice 5 gallon Rouge Royale from Edwards for $44. I noticed RR on their rose list a while back. If only Edwards shipped roses. Diane

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Diane Brakefield

I just got emails from GRF that my order is being processed. I tracked the package, but only the shipping label had been made. So, we'll see how this turns out. They must have read my comments on this thread. I hope everyone else gets their roses still to be shipped, and they are the correct rose in the correct form--grafted or own root. Diane

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Elestrial 7a likes 3 comments on a discussion: A few fun results from minis X OGRS
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roseseek

Today's Lamarque babies.



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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Ohhhh Kim, if you're offering I'm SO volunteering! Anything you'd like trialed in zone 5 just let me know. The email you'd used years ago is the best to get ahold of me but if you want a less frequented email, use my GW username 11 at ymail dot com. I have techniques now to get roses up to speed in my garden better than in previous years, so I can give them a fair try at surviving.

Drooooool

Cynthia

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roseseek

@ElfRosaPNW8b thanks. Yes, their time runs short in comparison. I hope your 16 year old is a size and breed with a long life.


In the climates in which I've harvested pollen (9b and 10a) I harvest whenever there are blooms available. Yes, I do cut the blooms and bring them in to rip them apart for the anthers and stamen. Don't worry about having a lot of stamen in the material to dry. I harvested these yesterday before the rain for pollen. It's Anne Belovich, a rambler I bred and named for the Rosairan who was instrumental in bringing back so many "ramblers and scramblers".


I carefully sort through all the petaloids to separate the material I want from that I don't, then spread it out on a clean sheet of paper (save all those credit card and other bills. They are paper and work splendidly, and, cost you NOTHING! Just be sure to thoroughly destroy them after use for safety) to dry. Depending upon the humidity and temperature, they can begin releasing pollen in a day to a week or more. I'm fortunate to have formal living and dining rooms which are not generally used, except to house "collections", so I can spread sheets out everywhere without them being molested by cat tails, dog curiosity, air conditioning or heating blowing them off the surfaces and "housekeeping" in those rooms usually comes to a halt during pollinating season. Also, fortunately, I'm married to a saint who says nothing about the sheets of pollen all over the furniture with material drying on them.


As they dry, they'll begin releasing pollen. Notice to the left of the mass of drying material all that "dust". That's pollen. Yup, I collect as much material from the pollen parents I wish to use as becomes available and I add it to the pile as it becomes available. I've read over the years that you should use pollen ASAP. That isn't my experience. Again, in my conditions, I've successfully collected pollen for the entire spring and summer seasons, adding it to the pile and successfully used it. A long time friend who's now deceased, in West Virginia, reported he used his "Jurassic pollen" for several years with success. The resulting seedlings showed traits of the pollen parent. It was the only way I've been able to harvest enough pollen from R. Minutifolia to generate hybrids from it.

No, wet pollen is often spoiled. It has to be dry and kept dry for the waxes which glue it to the anthers to dry and release the pollen. Some simply won't and Ralph Moore discovered grinding the dried material in a mortar and pestle helped release it.


If rain is a problem, then, yes, try picking the buds as they begin to open, then invert them on something absorbent to help wick the water out of the petals prior to pulling them apart. Hopefully, you'll be able to collect them between rains and get them sufficiently dry to get pollen from them.


It's been generally thought that most sports would probably breed like the sport parent. Ralph Moore found that radiation induced White Queen Elizabeth bred the same as Queen Elizabeth because the mutation only extended "skin deep" and not to the sexual level. Yet, New Dawn,the repeat flowering sport of Dr Van Fleet, has been long used to successfully breed repeat flowering climbers. Its mutation goes much deeper than "skin deep". So, some may breed differently while others may not. I used Secret's Out, the white sport of Secret to breed one of my Hugonis hybrids and I'm again growing Careless Love, hoping it will breed like Radiance, its sport grand parent. So, if you want to play with sports, do it! The lack of their use has likely been because no one thought of using them.

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BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

I think you have this variety of Japanese origin.

https://www.tengbenyueji.com/shrubroses/1105.html

The text is in Chinese, but Google Translate is your friend. Buried in the text the name translates to ’Royal Palace’. Your plant looks very healthy and full!

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Elestrial 7a likes a comment on a discussion: OMG a PIPE sport!!!
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sautesmom Sacramento

So both of them just bloomed again and I'm thrilled to report they have kept their sport color, while still smelling like Pretty in Pink Eden!

They look a lot like Eden but Eden doesn't smell.

I've been having a bug problem so they're kind of chewed but they are not dark pink!

:)

Carla

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Elestrial 7a likes 3 comments on a discussion: Ugh, David Austin USA virused stock
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Heather RR (PNW 8b)

Looking at the recent comments it seems folks in zone 8 and above like myself dont really notice any issues but those in the colder zones do. Perhaps the biggest impact of the virus is resiliancy against cold and other stressors?


I’m in Seattle and my last garden came with a heavily virused Queen Elizabeth that was at least 20 years old if not more and continued to bloom and thrive year after year despite having to stretch through a huge Camilia tree to get any light. My Evelyn in my last garden was also virused and after a rough start due to my lack of knowledge quickly took off once I figured out what I was doing and was 10 years old and very healthy apart from a few discolored leaves last time I saw her.

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Heather RR (PNW 8b)

Diane, that’s true but you also seem to have stellar conditions otherwise if I recall correctly (please correct me if im wrong) and perhaps that balances it out?


Another consideration might be the exact nature of the infection. RMV can have a few different causes singly or in combination and perhaps that also has an impact on the end result. From the published papers I could find it is quite common to have few or no symptoms in some cases while in othet cases the roses weaken and die over time. However, I’ve not seen any study that tries to identify the reason for the difference.


Elestrial, I agree - I would ask for a replacement too now that I know about RMV. Even though I’ve not had issues so far with RMV making my roses unhealthy I’d rather have a backup. At best one winds up with two healthy plants. At worst the replacement is also virused 🤷‍♀️

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Echo_Texas_zone9a

DA replied today to my photos and second email with a refund of the purchase price of the rose since Ronald Dahl is out of stock. i live in a hot and dry climate and the new growth does not appear to be affected. Not sure my ultimate plan. i could preorder a potted RD.

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Elestrial 7a likes 3 comments on a discussion: OT--Your White Whales
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rosecanadian

Moses - good luck with your Rose Midge Fly...make 'em die!! :)


Elestrial - I laughed out loud when I read your yard is where lavender goes to die. :) :) My yard is where clematis goes to die. lol I've given up on them.

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forever_a_newbie_VA8

@rosecanadian

Crimson Clover is a cover crop used as green manure in agriculture. We used to see a slope of them blooming on highway to DC in April and it was stunning

@Fire zone 8, north London, UK

A friend in our area grows wonderful California Poppy and says it is easy. I can only think of flooding as the cause of my failure.

Coneflower is very easy to grow here. I read that wet winter is a big problem for them

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Nollie in Spain Zone9

I have dry, stony, alkaline clay soil but even after digging in in a ton of grit, lavender comes to die here too. I’ve also tried it in pots in a gritty, well-drained, low nutrient mix, in full sun, part sun, in richer, rose-amended soil - you name it, it will die in it! The intermedia types do OK for a few years but all others barely make it through to the end of the season. My winters are cold but mostly dry so I can’t blame drowning, not that they get to experience a winter anyway.


Salvias such as nemorosa, guaranitica and the shrubby greggii/macrophyllia types are good rose companions. As are echinacea, nepeta, guara, penstemon, ornamental alliums and agastache, although the latter are short-lived.

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Elestrial 7a commented on a discussion: K&M Roses Rare Austin Report!
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Elestrial 7a

Judi, have you tried calling them?

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Echo_Texas_zone9a

They had emailed me back before Judi got ahold of them and they never responded to me after that. So I am also curious if anyone else made headway

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stillanntn6b

my husband made the trip and got 33 good looking roses (all but three were Austins) I am delighted to have own root Pope John Paul II and Dolly Parton. He also got a R. x fortuniana to replace our fifteen year old that caught RRD out one cane, survived that and then three or four years later the juglones from the walnut it was growing up may have been the source of its demise.

My Graham Stuart Thomas hedge of ten roses is re established, Two Tess of the D'Urbs is now joined by three more, and a large number of Austin's early deep reds are going to extend the Tess bed westward. Three Tamoras will go back into the bed that first had a Tamora sixteen years ago. This time the roots will be protected from the wretched rodents and the edges filled with daffodils which seem to work repulsing the damned eating machines.

And at long last, my Jeri Jennings that had lived in a good spot but didn't like red clay, something changed. Maybe the roots got deep enough to encounter the old topsoil buried under fill from the excavation for our garage, anyway., it's magnificent and climbing and just what I wanted it to be, and was willing to wait for.

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Elestrial 7a likes a comment on a discussion: Recommendations for a mass impact rose
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Moses, Pittsburgh, W. PA., zone 5/6, USA

Bliss Parfuma from Kordes. Everything you want plus more. Black Spot proof better than a Knock Out. Vigor that's incredible. Flowers galore. Enough said.

Moses

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