Here's a photo from its early years, so you can get a sense of the height of the porch. It was probably only in the ground a year at this point:

Three years later, it had reached the top of the porch:

And this is a photo from two years later, the year we moved:

I never needed to restrict its growth. It seemed happy blooming about between the euphorbia and the top of the porch railing. So I basically only removed old canes that were no longer performing. As for training, I would tie the canes to the porch railing occasionally or to bamboo canes. Aside from that, I gave it some composted steer manure every other year or so, drip irrigation, maybe a splash of liquid fertilizer (e.g., fish) in the spring, but that was about it.

Here are some beauty shots just for fun:

Here is my Diablo Hawk (Paul Barden) baby of Tradescant. From RVR. I love it.

Maybe a hedge of Raspberry Cupcake?

Thank you Dave, i haven’t been pay much attention to over the edge that much, i guess im too focus on the other roses, i do like the look, the scent, and it last pretty good, the plant itself doesnt seem vigorous, it’s slow growing that’s why i put it down there

Late to the wake, and first how to tell a rose from a bramble: look at the base of the compound leaf. Roses have stipules which are two skinny little leave-like growths on opposite sides of the base of the compound leaf. Brambles don't have stipules.

Multiflora flowers are always surrounded by other multiflora flowers on the same stem; the petals are only white for a day before they start to die and turn brownish.

Now about your sick drift roses. If those were mine, I'd isolate them from my other roses immediately . When I look at roses, I want (ok, really I don't want) to see three symptoms. when I compare the leaf margins, when I look at the spacing of leaves on a cane (so dense that that's why the name rosette got applied) the slowness of the green pigment emerging.

That's three and that's just a start, One of the pix shows an almost circular distortion and that happens with RRD when one side of a stem is sickER and grows even faster than the other side.

But there's yet another thing: powdery mildew. Multiflora is famous and beloved for not getting powdery mildew. Even Epstein and Hill mention in their main RRD paper that multiflora with RRD also gets powdery mildew. Why? Don't know. But I do know my garden's susceptibility to PM (which is low except for years when we get a late freeze and the roses that survive that often have PM when they have never had it before). So when I see PM on a rose I look really hard to makes sure there are no other symptoms that I associate with RRd.

IS there a proven preventive solution? I don't know for sure.

I know air flow always drops mites in certain places- so don't replant where you've consistently lost roses to RRd.

Nature gives us thrips to destroy the beauty of rose petals. If we get lucky, the other kinds of thrips that are predaceous thrips will have populations that grow as their food source grows, and predaceous thrips will eat mites (size matters when you are searching for something slightly smaller than you are for food).

Try to figure out air flow. Look up wind for multiflora growing in untended fields or along highways that haven't been cut back and are about twenty years older (on at least one side).

Do you have other questions?

Have you read my ebook It's old-ish but it's based on years of my observations.

Ann

Mel's Heritage starting to bloom!

First Marianne bloom looking very graceful! Second Marianne bloom, a few days old and holding up well to the 90F heat.

Rather lovely actually, if perhaps unwanted at this time of year. I always think trees and conifers covered in snow are a match for any rose in full bloom.

However, I hope it doesn't last long for you.

Dave,

Yes, back in winter mindset. We made pumpkin and sweet potato pies. Someone on Nextdoor once posted after one of our big spring storms, you can enjoy the snow or rail against the snow. With one approach you are happy, with the other approach you are unhappy. But the snow will be there either way.

Abe Darby today..he smells divine!

Do indoor roses count? Still cold outside here

Evelyn day 2!

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Renewing my whine!!!

WHYYYYY can't it always look like this???

Carla 

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Yes, I'm planning to sell plants on ebay starting this coming Saturday. I usually list plants every Sat. afternoon as auctions and they last a week. I will have some fixed price listings as well. I'm sorry to say that I'm adding a few states to the list of states I don't ship to. I will be adding TX, MS, AL, and AR to that list.

Here is a map of which states require treatment of the roots to prevent the spread of Japanese beetles, and those that don't. I dislike dealing with the insecticide and want to just sell to states that don't require that. I will be shipping to the green and grey states on the map below but not to Canada. ( never have shipped to Canada)

Some nurseries in Japanese beetle country don't have to treat with insecticide or bare -root plants because they grow their plants in a beetle proof greenhouse. I may try to get such a greenhouse but for now I don't have one.

I heard from my agriculture inspector recently and he said that in 2025 my county will be designated as infested with fire ants, so I would have to treat the roots with a certain insecticide for those or else just ship to states south of NC. I am leaning towards only shipping to states south of NC for next year. It would be a very limited number of states I can ship to but it's still lots of people in those states. I will give that a try for 2025. I am semi-retired anyway. I did propagate a good selection of roses to sell on ebay this year.

Last year some of my plants were bid up quite a bit more than usual but I suspect this year may be different.

As far as Spotted Lantern Fly goes my ag inspector says they are not in our county yet.

TheGableGarden, I fully support your right to question and comment. This is a public forum. Everyone always has a right to ask questions!

I welcome our international members. I am so happy we have these wonderful gardeners.

I have remained silent, but followed this thread and handled my refund attempts privately, but something about this latest email from them really set me off. I got my several hundred dollars back through my credit card, after giving these people ample time to make things right. The audacity they have to send around another message, still trying to act like they are a legit business just hitting a minor bump in the road, but ready for May/June and fall orders. Folks, I hope none of you fall for this bull. I am so tired of hearing the "small family-run business" excuse for not getting through the refunds in two weeks. If they only processed 100 per day (a very low bar to achieve) that would be 1,400 refunds by now. The refunds aren't coming because the money isn't there, and they're robbing Peter to pay Paul for what little money they have returned to people, to keep the scam going. They were certainly able to take money easily, despite their "small business" model. If you're going to run ANY business, you have to act responsibly. I hope someone files a law suit. They seriously need to be shut down.

Desiree is the leader of the pack this spring! I planted her in one of my metal raised beds.

She was pruned back hard as I do all my roses so even tho she looks small she’s about 5 years old now ! She is one of my favorites of all . Her colors warm my heart on this chilly spring day . I can’t recommend her enough!!

Those look great @Lilyfinch z9a Murrieta Ca! I agree - the ones I received in the past were smaller than say Palatine but they all have done well. These should really take off.

Judi, thanks about Royal Bonica, but one is all I've got room for. It's enormous. Diane

Royal Bonica from Hortico 2013

Erasmus - good job on getting some well grown roses!! Maybe I'll try them again next year.

Diane - absolutely incredible!!!! What a winner!

I agree Moses! I also fell for the scam and life goes on tho hopefully wiser for it. I have a lot of buds at this point but very few blooms. I get up every morning extra early to drink coffee while walking around the garden before work, and inspect every bud to see if they look 1mm bigger, soooo exciting to me. Repeat after work of course. I hope you all have a wonderful spring this year and I can’t wait to see all your blooms.

Here is Transquility from Heirloom which a dear friend from this forum sent me as a surprise last year and it is blooming for the first time. There are many wonderful people here and I am sure once blooms get going everyone will be all excited and happy again and move on.

Spring is always hard for me. my roses have started growing and have already beem frozen. next week its suppsed to freeze and snow again, so today i went out and piled extra mulch over all my roses to attempt to keep the new growth from freezing again. I ordered a 6 pack of mini roses from home depot and have a couple of bare roots potted up that move in and out daily, and have gotten a couple blooms on those. love all my spring bulbs that have started putting on a show!

I just posted these images of Mel's Heritage (purchased 2021 from Rogue Valley), but the whole post seems to have disappeared, apologies if it suddenly reappears. I am in Houston TX and my plant is doing terrifically well though this is the first year it has bloomed as profusely as this; I got enough bloom in past years to verify it was the correct rose however. I also have a Marianne that is healthy but has never bloomed at all; there may not be enough winter chill, but I have not given up on it. I do check for Barden roses every spring and fall. I also check for Rupert roses and have got a very lively specimen of Lauren this year. My Mel's heritage:

Purple Skyliner is scented and repeats. How healthy it may be where you are, I have no information about, but it's clean here on the Central Coast of California, repeats and has a nice scent.

My favorite fragrant very large climber is Mel’s Heritage. It also repeats very well.

probably 14 feet tall here spring flush in my old garden.

Spring color

Picture from later in the summer when it was high 90s

Another plant on a fence with heavy yearly prunning in my new garden

Dave, before i have this rose, Eustacia Vye was my fav DA pink, now I'm not so sure anymore because this one performs just as well if not better. Its fragrance is more consistant. The bush shape is nicer. It's probably my top 2 DA pink.

I have and LOVE Ebb Tide. Great purple color that fades to a smoky color that is just magical. No issues with disease in my garden. Profuse blooming unless there is a heatwave. Good fragrance too.

The picture is of Ebb Tide (and Gertrude Jekyll next to it)

Penelope Lively is worth a look if you love Gabriel Oak — i believe they come to the Us the year after England has them. Gabriel oak joined my Garden last fall. he got planted in a bed with spirit of freedom — jubilee celebration - queen of sweden - and penelope lively — looking forward to how this bed will turn out 🥰

Here is a few more. the varying shade of penelope are very interesting. Penelope rooted super easily as well last fall when I cut one of her canes off her and I had two root from her at the time.

Thank you!

TheGableGarden

Penelope looks gorgeous and I am looking forward to trying it when it gets released here. Her bloom form is exquisite.

Here a couple of more picture from today when it was cloudy and easier see the colors on these two.

I LOVE the contrast of the buds color to the flowers on Roald Dahl

Absolutely beautiful rose, Hoang Ton. I agree with your comparison to Olivia Rose Austin, which I grow. My ORA is a pale, insipid color during our hot dry summers. I love the bloom structure and growth habit of your Eustacia Vye, too. It's one of my favorites that you grow. Diane

Hoang, your Silas Marner looks phenomenal! Thanks for sharing this. It has done better in my cold climate than most and so its good to see it does well in a warm climate as well.

Ang, glad to hear. I thought it was a dud in the first 2 years haha.

My goodness...and it's fragrant!! WOW!!

Thank you, Ben, for the great thread! I think I may have shared at least part of my gardening story before as well.

Emmie, my heart goes out to you. I understand your pain. We too lost a son some years ago and that is when gardening became even more deeply meaningful to me. I grew up in a gardening family, but my parents mostly grew edible things, and my father especially considered it somewhat frivolous to grow anything strictly for beauty. I always craved flowers and foliage and beautiful plants. From the time I was young, I collected old cards of Victorian paintings of old roses… never cared too much for the modern hybrid teas that looked so stiff and formal. But they were better than nothing, so if I had half a chance I would take any flower that I could get my hands on. When I was seven years old, someone gave me a catalog that advertised several of David Austin’s earliest roses. I was enthralled and never forgot the name, though it would be years till I could get my hands on my first DA rose. My childhood was spent in very limited circumstances, many years as a missionary child in foreign countries. My first flower was a zinnia I grew from seed at five or six years old. In my teens, I learned to strike roses from cuttings and gave them to friends as birthday gifts. I married young and had a large family. They were happy years but busy. Any gardening I did was with my children and mostly vegetables, but about 15 years ago, I did start growing a few roses again, mostly ones that came with the house. Yes, they were hybrid teas and Knockouts! ;) But when our son died in 2006, I needed the therapy of growing something for beauty and not just for food. Gardening became a therapeutic passion for me. I, too, started a memory garden. When our family moved to Arizona in 2018, one of the first things I did was start a memory garden in my new location. And yes, I do grow DA roses now, among many others. I passed up the 100 mark some time ago and quit counting. :)

Now, I believe that you are born with a love of soil and seeds and creating beauty from that. Sadly that gene skipped all of my kids lol

Early in my marrage my husband brought me home for Valentines Day a Jackson and Perkins Ingrid Bergman rose. They came in plantable boxes back then. In spute of my ineptitude Ingrid thrived. Then came that fateful day when I got hired on to work at Harry and David/ Jackson and Perkins and I was daily surrounded by roses. I couldnt get past a week without a new rose And then the giveawsys and discounts. So many roses that got shared with the neighbors lol

My husband is still wondering what he was thinking buying me my first rose.

Great story, Elena, roses are really tough plants. I think over the years, Fragrant Cloud might be my best variety, huge flushes of big, intensely fragrant blooms all season, year after year.

As for dog pee, some plants like society garlic are super resistant, others like boxwood are very sensitive. As I walk to the dog park it’s easy to tell which is which!

These two lobelia plants looked the same last week, until my chihuahua decided the plant on the left was his shiny blue new toilet.

And here is a pic of the culprit, Elon aka the Lobelia Lobotomizer. He is a Stuffie Stealer too, you have been warned! Does he feel guilty? Nah, he will demand a belly rub, a game of fetch, a nap and some treats!

I'm all for giving things a try even if others give it a thumbs down. But I will add my thumbs down...Fair Bianca was very much a wimp for me and I got rid of it. I got Winchester Cathedral instead. Mine's own root and not a very strong plant but stronger than Fair Bianca and pretty I think.

Fair Bianca...yeah , it can be pretty.

The pine trees are coming down, so I'll have more sun in the backyard. At the top of the list is replacing Rosa Mundi. I have been putting it off not because I don't want it, but because I don't want to kill of another one by only having horrible places to put it. The last one was eaten by a giant syringa microphylla, after having been rescued from Glory of Edzel. Next is Madame Plantier. I really, really like the parrotia, but it has shaded out all the roses that used to be at the back edge of the back yard. I like Madame Plantier much better than Madam Hardy (sacrilege perhaps, but true). One that is going to be harder to replace is Doorenbos Selection. It was a small sucker that I got in a trade, and it never really established. I did get a couple of flowers from it, and the color is just WOW!

I don't think we trim much off iceberg. Somewhere I have a post about my cane hardy roses from last spring. I'll have to go find it. It may not be tall enough. It is probably less than 3 ft, but just barely.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6375517/-20f-in-co-rose-survival-report#n=43

Above is my survival report from last year. Only 3 roses kept some cane for me. Iceberg was not one of them. This year more will have cane because it didn't get as cold.