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Ang,
If you're going to be fighting black spot to the degree you have stated, I ask, "What price beauty?". I bit the bullet and got rid of all my black spotters. Some were real beauties, but in spite of that, I'm glad I made the switch.
Now, I research any new rose as thoroughly as I can before I get it. If its black spot susceptibility is known, it's a no go. If it's not, I'll give it a trial, 3 years usually, and it 's a keeper if every year it passes mustard....that is, it's allowed to show a little black in September at the earliest and only a very little on its oldest leaves down low on the bush. They should only get black spots, not turn yellow and defoliate, no, no, no, then if so, I think long and hard about keeping the bush.
Just thought I would share my approach to black spot to give my perspective.
Moses
prairiemoon, it's interesting to see how plants behave in different soils. Agastache, salvia, lobelia, tiarella, and astilbe on your list are all beautiful thugs in my garden. And I spent a whole week digging to remove a patch of creeping campanula in my yard a few years ago. Pieris and camellia in Seattle are common foundation plants and can thrive from full sun to part shade. I have phlox Jeana, which doesn't get powdery mildew until late in the season, and by then it's no longer a concern. My Heucheras are from the box stores because they're a short-lived perennial, survive in my garden for two to four years. I think finding the right plants is such a surprising journey that only a gardener can understand, so let’s just take it easy and keep killing the plants. LOL.
Given that this is an own root plant and it is apparently growing from the roots of your established plant, this is most likely a rootlet of a new baby Bliss. Congratulations, you're now a new grandparent :)
If you want to divide the plant once it's well established and plant it elsewhere, that is a way some roses propagate themselves. Sometimes you can deliberately try to get a rose to make new "mini-me" plants by drawing a cane close to the ground to get it to root itself (this is called "pegging"). Some roses take to it and some don't, but it can be fun to try. Technically if the rose is still patented this is propagating the rose and not something to be shared with others because it's still licensed for the royalties to the breeders. I don't usually deliberately propagate patented roses in my yard but if they decide to do so by themselves who's to stop them?
Obviously if this were a grafted rose, you'd have to check that the sprout is coming from above the graft (a "basal break" and the desired rose) vs below the graft (the rootstock and not the desired rose). If you see the rootstock growing on a grafted rose, you should rip it off the base rather than cutting it, so that you kill off that connection rather than just delay it.
Yours looks like a great "lucky break" in a new mini plant of Bliss. It's a wonderful and hardy survivor of a rose so I'm not surprised it's branching out.
Cynthia
I had a monster Lillian Austin that was my favorite of all my roses. One day I noticed that it had RRD & I was heart broken. I started chopping it down & during the process of getting it out I noticed a shoot from a root that looked just like yours. My DH pulled out the rootball of the original rose & left the root with the new shoot. Within a couple of years I had a decent size Lillian Austin with no RRD. I was so thrilled!!!
Yayat!! a new baby Bliss I have gotten 2 babies from Soul Sister. I just love those new babies.
Abe Darby today..he smells divine!
Will label tomorrow - literally falling asleep!
Edit: Okay -- more of the garden lay-out below:
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The Ambridge Rose
I think this was a salvia? It was so pretty, but I couldn't see a label.
The various discussions have been helpful to me. I knew about patents and only to propagate expired patents. I have read some about virused roses and personally want to avoid viruses so had decided to go single source after I got a free rose that had a virus.
But had no idea about the pests or illegally imported roses. These are good things for me to know about. I also think it is good to know about scam rose sellers or ones being sued for not following the rules. So I hope people keep posting about these issues when they come up.
My little rose garden is a great joy and I like using the forum to document the progress of my roses, share info about them and keep track of my thoughts over time. I also use the forum to become more educated on the topic of growing and selecting roses. The various threads on sourcing roses have contributed to that knowledge so I am grateful.
It is spring in CO but no roses here yet. Some of the more cold hardy varieties are starting their leaves. Pruning will wait until after mother's day. Lady in Red will probably get pruned early because of her mass of dead canes.
Hoang, very interesting the way ORA behaves for you, it’s the most “tidy” shrub rose that I have in my garden, staying pretty rounded and symmetrical. i have also noticed its canes are TOUGH—my pruning shears and hand struggle with them, which i consider a positive. Blooms a decent amount for me too, I love Olivia!
pink rose Fl, have you tried giving Olivia some Bloom Booster fertilizer? She may need more phosphorus (a higher middle # in the NPK ratio) Water her good then hit her with some Miracle Grow Bloom Booster..it seems to work well for me even with potted roses. If you are totally organic just look or an organic with a higher phosphorus # than the other ingredients.
I trim my Olivia back after a flush, then fertilze again.
Hi sultry
I gave Olivia all sorts of fertilizers Organic & non Organic . Even extra potash . But she still doesn't bloom . I may try an extremely high bloom booster before l S/P her !
Planted them next to Silas Marner, Eustacia, Earth Angel and Quick Silver.
Now, I believe that you are born with a love of soil and seeds and creating beauty from that. Sadly that gene skipped all of my kids lol
Early in my marrage my husband brought me home for Valentines Day a Jackson and Perkins Ingrid Bergman rose. They came in plantable boxes back then. In spute of my ineptitude Ingrid thrived. Then came that fateful day when I got hired on to work at Harry and David/ Jackson and Perkins and I was daily surrounded by roses. I couldnt get past a week without a new rose And then the giveawsys and discounts. So many roses that got shared with the neighbors lol
My husband is still wondering what he was thinking buying me my first rose.
When I moved into my old house back in 1994 there was a huge unknown red rose bush on the property...My girlfriend showed me how to care for it...Around 2006 my Mom wanted that bush so I transplanted it to her house...( its still at her house to this day..) I actually missed it so bought a Precious Platinum rose in 2007-08ish that started me growing roses...
I no longer have PP and I have moved into a another
house in 2021...
Precious Platinum rose:
Great story, Elena, roses are really tough plants. I think over the years, Fragrant Cloud might be my best variety, huge flushes of big, intensely fragrant blooms all season, year after year.
As for dog pee, some plants like society garlic are super resistant, others like boxwood are very sensitive. As I walk to the dog park it’s easy to tell which is which!
These two lobelia plants looked the same last week, until my chihuahua decided the plant on the left was his shiny blue new toilet.
And here is a pic of the culprit, Elon aka the Lobelia Lobotomizer. He is a Stuffie Stealer too, you have been warned! Does he feel guilty? Nah, he will demand a belly rub, a game of fetch, a nap and some treats!
My Top Cream aged beautifully last year, even over 100 degrees. No crisping!
Which is yet another reason why it shot up to one of my top five favorite roses.
Carla in Sac