Best skirted toilet for reduced clogs?
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Am I the only one who really dislikes their Toto toilet?
Comments (81)I bought a Toto Eco Flush CST784EF for our master bathroom and it is terrible. You need to have a toilet brush scrubber by you each time you use the bathroom because there is not enough water or pressure to clean the toilet. And, it was $600. The biggest waste of money I ever spent. Go with American Standard. We bought one of those for our powder room and it is amazing for 2/3 rds of the cost....See MoreIs toto the best toilet to get
Comments (22)MrsPete- The low-flow toilets that are now required to be sold use as little as 1/5 of the water as the old toilets we grew up with. To work well they depend on careful engineering of the trap so there is an efficient flush with this reduced amount of water. You can't tell by just looking at them, but some toilets do this better than others. For example the Toto has a somewhat larger trap diameter than many toilets and this makes a big difference in clogging or not. I used to think that all toilets did the same thing until I had experience installing and using a variety of brands. Some of the money you pay for expensive toilets can be a premium for the style rather than better operation, just like a lot of items around the house. I have bought the $99 toilets before: some were ok, some were terrible. I finally decided I was willing to pay several hundred dollars for something I could install and forget about for the next 40 years, rather than get a plunger out every couple of weeks. Read the review links in this thread and decide for yourself....See MoreCaroma Caravelle? help me pick a toilet
Comments (4)orangedaisy52, we are in very much the same position as you are, except our half bath is only 33 inches wide but 7 feet long. We have the sink and faucet in, and are looking at replacement toilets. Like you, we had thought that a one-piece would be the better bet, and initially concentrated on those. But our final choice is coming to three models, the Caroma Bondi 270, the Toto Vespin II, and the Toto Ultramax II, only the last of which is a one-piece. We are strongly leaning toward the Vespin II. The Caroma has two factors working against it. The first is your #1 concern: what the trade delicately calls "streaking." As a wash-down flush, the Caroma is below average in bowl cleansing; one is advised to keep a brush handy next to the bowl and give it a swipe after every "serious" use. The second is that the elongated bowl Caroma extends almost three inches farther into the room from the wall it is backed up against than the Vespin II does. In our 7 foot long room, that is significant, and it probably would be even more of a factor for you. The two Totos are HET (1.28 gallons per flush, only 4/5 as much as previous toilets) Watersense toilets that use the newly designed "Double Cyclone" flush system in which two jets of water are fired horizontally from opposite sides of the bowl under the rim, and corkscrew/cyclone downward, accelerating with gravity. You can see pictures of it in action in several videos posted on YouTube. Apparently, Double Cyclone HET Totos flush at least as well as, and perhaps better than, 1.6 gpf Totos, which already were considered among the best flushing of low-flow toilets. Toto charges extra if you want the bowl finished in Sanagloss, a super-smooth porcelain finish. Actual users (which we are not yet) say that Sanagloss is a worthwhile feature and makes brushing almost never required. Between the Ultramax II and the Vespin II, the Ultramax II is the (more expensive) one-piece and the Vespin II is the (less expensive) two-piece but skirted one. For cleaning ease, my bets are that the two-piece skirted is easier to clean than the one-piece unskirted. And the Vespin II has slightly better MaP scores. Here is a link that might be useful: Discussion of Vespin II on Terry Love's Forum...See MoreBest toilet??!
Comments (31)Thanks, William, for sharing your experiences. I have been less than enthusiastic about toilets with the 'tower' technology. I'd much rather have 'tried and true' than innovative. I wondered if it would be a problem if you had to replace a part and I guess it was for you, having to replace the whole tower. I just looked at a photo of the Toto Vespin II Toto Vespin II What is that small square in the rear? I do like a skirted toilet. I've just realized that the toilet we now have is a Kohler. lol We put that in about 15 years ago, when they were first coming out with the water saving toilets. It has a problem with running sometimes, and clogging sometimes. We had a plumber here for a kitchen faucet installation and he changed the flapper last year and now the toilet flushes twice every time you press the lever. I don't quite understand what he did to accomplish that, but it rarely keeps running and clogging has been minimal. Of course, flushing twice defeats the purpose of the low water toilet. So I am looking forward to replacing this. We also have a very old 5 gallon toilet in another bathroom that will finally be replaced....See Moreladybug A 9a Houston area
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